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Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Aug 10, 2012.

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RocketsFan0 said: ↑

Jordan is overrated. At least with Aldrich, he still had hope since we haven't seen his full potential.
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Tell me you would not take Cole Aldrich over DeAndre Jordan....

#2081 J Sizzle, Feb 4, 2013

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RocketsFan0 said: ↑

Jordan is overrated. At least with Aldrich, he still had hope since we haven't seen his full potential.
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You can't be serious right, go to a clippers board and see how they react to Aldrich being better. Aldrich is a bust, Jordan is not.

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center position in the league is so bad that Jordan is considered decent
he doesn't even see the floor in crunch time

#2083 art, Feb 5, 2013
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You can't be serious right, go to a clippers board and see how they react to Aldrich being better. Aldrich is a bust, Jordan is not.
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People said that about Omer Asik as well. Look how well he's doing now. Aldrich was always buried behind OKC's bench and when he actually had playing time, he produced; offensively and defensively.

Cole Aldrich against the Lakers in 2012 with limited minutes:
9 mins, 3-4 fg, 1-2 ft, 6 rebs. Same against Charlotte.

Am I the only one that sees some hope in Aldrich?
Big bodied, buried at the end of the bench, MOBILE and HUSTLE for the ball?

Compare him to Asik's first two years in the league. Nearly identical. People, he's not Hasheem Thabeet. He still has hope.

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RocketsFan0 said: ↑

People said that about Omer Asik as well. Look how well he's doing now. Aldrich was always buried behind OKC's bench and when he actually had playing time, he produced; offensively and defensively.

Cole Aldrich against the Lakers in 2012 with limited minutes:
9 mins, 3-4 fg, 1-2 ft, 6 rebs. Same against Charlotte.

Am I the only one that sees some hope in Aldrich?
Big bodied, buried at the end of the bench, MOBILE and HUSTLE for the ball?

Compare him to Asik's first two years in the league. Nearly identical. People, he's not Hasheem Thabeet. He still has hope.
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I don't see it all. I guess I could be wrong but remember how bad douglas looked early into the season, that's how bad Aldrich has looked all season. He is below average at just about everything. He is lost on D a bunch and just has bad instincts. I thought Douglas was horrible and he proved himself an asset, maybe Aldrich will do the same. He really looks bad though.

#2086 withmustard, Feb 5, 2013
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RocketsFan0 said: ↑

People said that about Omer Asik as well. Look how well he's doing now. Aldrich was always buried behind OKC's bench and when he actually had playing time, he produced; offensively and defensively.

Cole Aldrich against the Lakers in 2012 with limited minutes:
9 mins, 3-4 fg, 1-2 ft, 6 rebs. Same against Charlotte.

Am I the only one that sees some hope in Aldrich?
Big bodied, buried at the end of the bench, MOBILE and HUSTLE for the ball?

Compare him to Asik's first two years in the league. Nearly identical. People, he's not Hasheem Thabeet. He still has hope.
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people who didn't watch the Bulls?

#2087 DonatasFanboy, Feb 5, 2013

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Indiana is very motivated to clear Danny Granger's 2013-14 salary (the last year on his somewhat bloated contract) from their payroll sooner (i.e., prior to the February trade deadline) rather than later (this summer, if not later) because of one simple reason: they want the cap space to play around with this summer. And they'd have a lot more cap space if they can turn Granger into, say, Patrick Patterson and expiring contracts (in other words, Patrick Patterson, for all intents and purposes).

Having said that, if Donnie Walsh is calling the shots in Indiana, this means that a trade is unlikely, as Walsh is not a very good GM (his reputation as a strong GM is not at all deserved), is indecisive, and overrates the value of his own players. So it would not be at all surprising if Walsh insists on way more than what Daryl Morey is peddling, in which case Morey tells him to take a hike.

Of course, I'm not so sure that Walsh is really calling the shots in Indiana. I believe that they hired former Portland wunderkind Kevin Pritchard, and if Pritchard is the one who is making the decisions, then Pritchard is quite clever, and is going to want the cap space more than the overpaid Granger. Especially since Indiana has demonstrated that they don't really need Granger.

Houston has about $7 mil in unused cap space, so they can take back Granger's $13.1 mil 2012-13 salary (plus filler) pretty easily. This is presumably what Morey is offering for Granger:

Patrick Patterson ($2.1 mil in 2012-13, $3.1 mil in 2012-13), Carlos Delfino ($3.0 mil in 2012-13, team option for another $3.0 mil in 2013-14), and Cole Aldrich ($2.4 mil in 2012-13, contract expires at the end of the season) to Indiana

Danny Granger ($13.1 mil in 2012-13), and about $0.9 mil in filler (Ben Hansbrough, Sam Young) to Houston

I seriously doubt that Morey is offering any of the Rockets' first- or second-year guys or any draft picks here. Granger is not the most valuable commodity on the planet. The dude makes a ton of money next season and is in his late twenties, which is relatively old by NBA standards. He turns 30 on 4/20 of this year. Plus he's coming off the injury and nobody knows what kind of a player he'll be when he comes back.

If Granger can come back and be the player he was before, or close to it, then he's a guy who can play alongside Chandler Parsons as one of the team's two forwards, and he is certainly an upgrade over any of the "power forwards" on the team's roster right now. And it's nice to not have to give up anything you really want for Granger. Houston pretty obviously doesn't plan on either Patterson, Delfino, or Aldrich being around beyond the 2013-14 season.

It will be interesting to see how the minutes get distributed both before and after Granger's return. Delfino is getting a lot of minutes as the team's sixth man and is playing at both SG and SF. One would think that Houston would start giving a lot more minutes to Toney Douglas. One would also think that Marcus Morris is given more minutes. We'd also see either Terrence Jones or Donatas Motiejunas promoted into the rotation, at least until Granger returns. Although Granger is projected to return within a week or or two, so we wouldn't see a whole lot of Jones/Motiejunas in the rotation.

By the way: I can see Indiana as a team that might want to take a flyer on Royce White. In which case maybe we'd see Houston replace Delfino with White, and maybe add Toney Douglas' expiring contract to the equation. In other words, the deal would be Granger and dirt-cheap filler (i.e., three dudes who won't be on the payroll next season) for Patterson, Aldrich, Douglas, and White.

Also: Houston isn't going to be interested in Gerald Green. He is making $3.5 mil/season this season, in 2013-14, and in 2014-15. That's a waste of cap space.
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Walsh is very decisive when deals are good. He took huge but smart gambles on young Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal, he traded good veterans / fan favorites for them.
He's also the guy who went to insane lengths to clear the Knicks cap space, so he knows its value. I'd just say he knows that cap value in New York is huge while Indiana has to be more selective with its bets.

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Rockets12 said: ↑

You can't be serious right, go to a clippers board and see how they react to Aldrich being better. Aldrich is a bust, Jordan is not.
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Bust is how one plays according and were one was drafted... Aldrich was taken high and Jordan second round. That said Aldrich is a "bust", but he still an OK player. Were Jordan could never "bust" as second rounder. When the game starts does the draft even matter.

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Players I would Like

Jimmer, to develop and possibly a backup PG/SG
DeJuan Blair, Motor Guy can score and board.
Carl Landry, Just what you want from a Starting PF
Paul Milsap- All Star Caliber PF.
and I really want Picks this year for the draft there is a lot of talented players if used right. A Pick in the 14-27 range and draft someone like CJ Leslie.
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Milsap and all star dont go together. U didn't see our last game against Utah?

#2090 teebone21, Feb 5, 2013
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rogower said: ↑

Indiana is very motivated to clear Danny Granger's 2013-14 salary (the last year on his somewhat bloated contract) from their payroll sooner (i.e., prior to the February trade deadline) rather than later (this summer, if not later) because of one simple reason: they want the cap space to play around with this summer. And they'd have a lot more cap space if they can turn Granger into, say, Patrick Patterson and expiring contracts (in other words, Patrick Patterson, for all intents and purposes).

Having said that, if Donnie Walsh is calling the shots in Indiana, this means that a trade is unlikely, as Walsh is not a very good GM (his reputation as a strong GM is not at all deserved), is indecisive, and overrates the value of his own players. So it would not be at all surprising if Walsh insists on way more than what Daryl Morey is peddling, in which case Morey tells him to take a hike.

Of course, I'm not so sure that Walsh is really calling the shots in Indiana. I believe that they hired former Portland wunderkind Kevin Pritchard, and if Pritchard is the one who is making the decisions, then Pritchard is quite clever, and is going to want the cap space more than the overpaid Granger. Especially since Indiana has demonstrated that they don't really need Granger.

Houston has about $7 mil in unused cap space, so they can take back Granger's $13.1 mil 2012-13 salary (plus filler) pretty easily. This is presumably what Morey is offering for Granger:

Patrick Patterson ($2.1 mil in 2012-13, $3.1 mil in 2012-13), Carlos Delfino ($3.0 mil in 2012-13, team option for another $3.0 mil in 2013-14), and Cole Aldrich ($2.4 mil in 2012-13, contract expires at the end of the season) to Indiana

Danny Granger ($13.1 mil in 2012-13), and about $0.9 mil in filler (Ben Hansbrough, Sam Young) to Houston

I seriously doubt that Morey is offering any of the Rockets' first- or second-year guys or any draft picks here. Granger is not the most valuable commodity on the planet. The dude makes a ton of money next season and is in his late twenties, which is relatively old by NBA standards. He turns 30 on 4/20 of this year. Plus he's coming off the injury and nobody knows what kind of a player he'll be when he comes back.

If Granger can come back and be the player he was before, or close to it, then he's a guy who can play alongside Chandler Parsons as one of the team's two forwards, and he is certainly an upgrade over any of the "power forwards" on the team's roster right now. And it's nice to not have to give up anything you really want for Granger. Houston pretty obviously doesn't plan on either Patterson, Delfino, or Aldrich being around beyond the 2013-14 season.

It will be interesting to see how the minutes get distributed both before and after Granger's return. Delfino is getting a lot of minutes as the team's sixth man and is playing at both SG and SF. One would think that Houston would start giving a lot more minutes to Toney Douglas. One would also think that Marcus Morris is given more minutes. We'd also see either Terrence Jones or Donatas Motiejunas promoted into the rotation, at least until Granger returns. Although Granger is projected to return within a week or or two, so we wouldn't see a whole lot of Jones/Motiejunas in the rotation.

By the way: I can see Indiana as a team that might want to take a flyer on Royce White. In which case maybe we'd see Houston replace Delfino with White, and maybe add Toney Douglas' expiring contract to the equation. In other words, the deal would be Granger and dirt-cheap filler (i.e., three dudes who won't be on the payroll next season) for Patterson, Aldrich, Douglas, and White.

Also: Houston isn't going to be interested in Gerald Green. He is making $3.5 mil/season this season, in 2013-14, and in 2014-15. That's a waste of cap space.
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I'd agree with this, roughly. Granger is a career 38% 3pt shooter. And typically SFs that shift to PFs tend to have their 3pt percentage improve (LBJ, Carmelo for example) because PFs usually can't adequately close out on stretch 4s, let alone SFs that can blow by you on offense.

Granger can play both 3 & 4, is better at 3 obviously, but as he ages could adjust better to the 4 due to his length (7"1.5 wingspan). He's good defensively (not as much as a 4) and offensively, is a smart player, and is a pretty good rebounder at the SF position (should translate).

I think Granger and Parsons can play fairly interchangeably. And they'd defend, pass, and rebound and be tall enough (Granger with the wingspan) to over the 3/4 positions together, and when PFs come in, whoever doesn't go out can slide to the 3. So assuming Parsons plays 35min, Granger will play 13min at 3 and 22min at 4. And there's still 26 minutes at the 4 available.

If you overlap the minutes Parsons and Granger play together with Asik, defensively and rebounding-wise, we'd be fine.

And you can always upgrade in a couple of years time ...

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I've always liked Garrett Temple for back-up PG. RealGM says he can't be traded until 3/25. Darn. Still hoping Bev will step up by then...

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Milsap and all star dont go together. U didn't see our last game against Utah?
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He has the potential and he can get there if used right, and we beat Utah cause well they played bad and had a poor shooting night. They are one place above us in standings if im not mistaken.

Houston needs to Address the PF spot, Patterson is would be an amazing back up PF.

Then Houston needs a capable backup PG, either someone established or take a chance on talent(Jimmer,Beverly)

Milsap wouldnt be my first choice but he is realistic.

Preferable PFs for Me.

Cousins-Young,talented, can play PF/C, All-Star in my eyes
Garnett-Leader,with McHale,
Milsap-Potential could be an All-Star

dont see us getting LaMarcus,Pau, or Love. Cousins,KG,Milsap our the best safe bets to improve the 4 for short and long term.(Even tho Milsap has one year left ife he playes good we could sign him)

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David West anyone?

Nobody is mentioning this guy? What are you guys thoughts?

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Nobody is mentioning this guy? What are you guys thoughts?
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David West?

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David West?
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He's older but he's very productive... Don't think Indiana will trade him because he's a main piece to their success this season.

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I know Granger is the hot topic, but I honestly think if Morey is calling Indiana he's trying to get Lance Stephenson or Gerald Green. DJ is going to be a free agent next season and may command more than what Indiana wants to pay and Douglas can fill that void.

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I know Granger is the hot topic, but I honestly think if Morey is calling Indiana he's trying to get Lance Stephenson or Gerald Green.
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He pushed his pregnant gf down the stairs. Morey has a bad strike rate with those kind of players.

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I know Granger is the hot topic, but I honestly think if Morey is calling Indiana he's trying to get Lance Stephenson or Gerald Green. DJ is going to be a free agent next season and may command more than what Indiana wants to pay and Douglas can fill that void.
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Lance is under contract next season.

As for Gerald Green, he was a poor signing and a bad contract so far. If Morey wants to take that for Douglas, I think Indiana would be happy to accept.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aon6qa8

Houston and Brooklyn

Morris for Brooks and Taylor (or another filler).

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