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How much should you have saved up before buying a house?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by wizkid83, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. JBIIRockets

    JBIIRockets Member

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    I just bought a house and put 20 percent down. Just make sure you have enough left in the bank for months ahead. I'm not sure how people define six months worth, but you need to have a decent amount saved up after putting in the down payment.

    The rates right now for home buying are ridiculously low. Now is the time to buy.

    I close next Wednesday. An exciting time.
     
  2. Jontro

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    Whatever you decide, make sure to pick a house with a big driveway and install a basketball goal. Then do a CF open house, pot luck, basketball party. Then we can all get together and talk about how great Jeremy Lin is.
     
  3. macalu

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    which parts are misleading? i think it sheds a lot of light on the other side of home ownership. all most people hear is how great it is. it's not all roses once you own a home.
     
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    I'm closing on a home that's around your price range as well. I put down about 35%. 15 year loan, 2.87 rate with 3.0 apr.

    For 230k, why not try to purchase a new home and get what you want? Not only will you get the better technology, energy efficiency etc, but you'll also get the home exactly the way you want it. Btw, make sure you get your home inspected and have anything fixed prior to closing.
     
  6. wreck

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    I have heard that an advantage from buying homes in established communities is that there isn't a carrousel of owners.

    New communities will bring years of different types on neighbors and recently houses constantly for sell
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    You should be more concerned on the house you are buying vs how much to put down. With the market at the bottom, this isn't as big of an issue as it was a couple years ago.

    If you get a great deal on a house that will move quickly if you must sell, its not so bad to put 10% down. If you find a house that really fits you, but it will be harder to move and the deal isn't so great, put more down.

    Avoiding the "keeping up with the Jones" mentality is more important. The 6-12 months of emergency reserves is not so hard if you are not financed to the hilt.
     
  8. Classic

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    I'm in a similar situation with a similar priced house. I'm rolling with 10%. I'd rather not over commit my money and have more back in savings.

    I'd just evaluate the mortgage payment difference between financing say 208k[10% dp] & 185k[20% dp] to decide if it's worth committing that extra 23k. To us it's not. I'm also buying new and feel like i'm getting a hell of a deal so i feel like i'll have 15% equity from the get go...so that helps. Market is rebounding so I'll have 20% in my estimations in another 2/3 years.
     
  9. Acedude

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    1. It would be stupid to pay off a 1.7% loan early, unless you got the excess money.

    2. Buy the house because you want to be a home owner. Not because of tax deductions, and not because it's a good investment (most likely, it's not).

    3. Other potential costs. Looks like you've ran your numbers to include mortgage, property tax, insurance, and HOA fees. Like you said, don't put down less than 20% because of the PMI cost per month adds up. Biggest thing is probably new furniture to fill the empty space. Yard maintenance. Utility bills will be higher. Unexpected problems like hurricanes and foundation issues will be rare but costly.

    4. I don't see why investment isn't a liquid asset. Sure, you never want to be forced to sell your stocks, but they are a legitimate emergency fund.

    5. It's a seller's market in Houston right now. Houses in good areas of town get sold within a week, so that's driving up the overall housing prices. Mortgage rates are low, but should be gradually increasing as unemployment rate comes down. IMHO, it might be more expensive the longer you wait.
     
  10. macalu

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    this. don't underestimate points 2 and 3.

    i say if you're not feeling too good about putting down your entire savings, you're probably buying too much house or need to find something less expensive. nothing beats peace of mind. find a place that costs 25-35% less and you'll sleep much better.
     
  11. wizkid83

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    I've been asking around the area and prices, and homes that are new tend to have a 15% premium relative over the used home around the same size. There also not a lot of new builders in the area at this moment building within my price range (new constructions are starting at $300K which shows the status of the area). This comes down to if I think I'll end up doing about $30K in maintenance/energy cost over the next 10 years.

    1. Agreed
    2. Well, I need a bigger space now that I'm married and a 1300 sqft 2 br. apartment is just a little lower on a monthly payments to getting a house. If I want something bigger and nicer, it's getting close to a wash.
    3. I expect to put 20%. I thought yard maintenance is ~30 bucks a month but please educate me on what else could be expensive.
    4. I included stocks in my liquid asset (how I would still have 1 year take home pay after buying the house). It's stuff like 401k, mutual funds, overseas money (that I had to fill an Fbar for :mad:) and etc. that I pretend don't exist.
    5. Exactly what I'm finding out. I also don't think the prices will come down significantly in the future but do believe interest rates will rise.



    I think reading through most of the posts in this thread, I feel like I'm in an ok enough financial position to buy a house right now. So thanks, I'm feeling better about making the plunge :grin:
     
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    The points in that website are the exact reasons why I've been holding out buying the house. Here are answers to why I feel right now is a right time for me.

    1. Home values do go up, even if it's just pacing inflation (though a lot of times more). So if you do want to buy a house at any point and you have the financial ability to do so, you should.

    2. My math, and if any really financially savvy people want to tear it apart please do so. This is why I'm asking for opinions and help. You're looking for returns on 5x leverage of your seed money (down payment) at the interest rate of mortgage. Prime mortgage rats are about 3.7% right now. If you're investing that into stocks, the interest rate on your marginal debt (for etrade) at the 200K level is 6.14%. Meaning to me that if you want to build up similar returns on your investment, your stocks would have to do about 2.5% better than housing price increase to break even with buying a house. Very possible but I would actually put that at a much higher risk investment than house purchase. Especially since volatility in the market can force a margin call.

    In addition, other types of investment such as starting a business requires more time and have even larger risk. It's unlikely you'll be able to get a stable investment if you're looking to 5x leverage your money.

    3. For my needs, not really.
    4. Texas so no state deductions. It actually will make a difference.
    5. No idea why this matters
    6. All investments have risk, Dow at 14K and fed printing money is much scarier to me
    7. Market is heating back up according most of my research. Probably better for me to buy now since I definitely want a bigger space w/in next two years
    8. Agreed, but see #2 for my assessment
    9+. All very specific to different individuals and seem to be written during the housing crash.
     
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    We bought a $250k house (first home) last year. We could have put 20% down, but the house is a fixer in the Heights so we figured we'd keep the money for renovations. We have to pay PMI (property mortgage insurance), which is like $130/mo that goes straight to the bank. Kinda sucks. But, we're in the process of remodeling the kitchen and have already done a lot to the rest of the house. Come May, we plan on refinancing. Based on comparables, house should be appraised for around $350-400, which we'll then have 20% equity. Lower rate, no PMI, monthly payments will be cut by 1/3, and a nearly brand new house, all by keeping the money for renovations.

    Now, if this house were already complete, we would have put the 20%. But, this was the smart move.
     
  14. wizkid83

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    Side note on the housing discussion. I rather put that money into stocks personally. Nothing crazy or long term trading, mostly an index fund+dividend play. While selling covered calls for a little extra cash.
     
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    If you don't mind me asking, how much liquid capital did you guys have the side after the remodeling. How much do you expect to have after refinancing?
     
  16. LinHype

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    That's true. Beware of all the hidden costs of owning a house. If you are buying an old house, the potential cost of fixing the sewer pipe (which will be substantial), upgrading the electrical supply, termites, etc can really throw your budget off balance.
     
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    I'm looking at houses built this century, preferably within last 10 years. how much of these things should i look for? Are there any signs?
     
  18. macalu

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    2. you know, i thought this too... 2 Bedroom apt for just two people is not enough. until my SO and i moved into a 3 bedroom/2 bath, 1700 square foot house. we don't even use the 3rd bedroom or the second bath. guests stay over maybe 3 weekends out of the year. it's just more space for us to fill with furniture we hardly use. not to mention the extra heating and cooling.

    3. depends on how big your yard is. $30 is on the VERY low end for a small yard. if you don't mind doing it yourself, you could find your weekends preoccupied with raking, weeding, and mowing. we have a huge yard. it's at least $80/month if i'm going to pay someone. i can't stand the extra expense so i'll put in the sweat equity. its not fun at all.

    just food for thought.
     
  19. wizkid83

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    2) Well, I've been wanting a game room for a while and my wife needs an office when she grades papers and etc. for when I'm playing game really loudly. Also plan to have Children w/in 3 years. I think I'm going to be able to put the room to good use :D.

    3) That is higher than I imagined. I do kind of want a small back yard and that's one of the things I told my realtor. I always thought when you move in the neighborhood, some one will knock on your door willing to mow lawns for $25 cash each time. But I'll probably check with others on their experience but that does sound high. Not prohibitive, but high.

    Another side question, how much do you think things like Granite counter tops, bronze fixtures, covered back patio and etc. add to the price of a home? I've heard most people said you shouldn't expect to get the money back, but maybe $5K over the comparable home without when I'm making the offer?

    I do want/like those things, they are deal breakers. When I move into a home, I want to feel a higher standard of space than just a bigger apartment, just wondering how much more I should pay for it. I also prefer to pay for it upfront in the price of home since if I want to add those things, I would not get my $ for $ back.
     
  20. macalu

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    yea, kids does change things. :) good luck on your purchase man. i just wanted to provide an alternate viewpoint, not trying to discourage you. home ownership has its advantages but life was much easier (for me) when i was renting.
     
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