<i>May I further remind you that regardless of whether these players are on the Clippers or Rockets roster next summer, market value for these players will make a Sign and Trade impossible without a third under the cap team as both players (surely Brand) will become Base Year Compensation players. </i> Gater, BYC only applies when a team, that is over the cap, signs a player to more than a 20% salary increase. I believe that the Clips are only $2M or so over the cap, so if they renounce some of their unsigned free agents, they'll be under the cap and they could resign Brand without making him a BYC player.
Allan Houston makes as much as Larry Ellison on a bad day. If you're going to be one-dimensional, you'd better be good at it. Allan Houston is the best one-dimensional player in the league.
What's Francis's season high this year in turnovers? JASON KIDD HAD 8 TURNOVERS...and 5 ASSISTS. Talk about a bad day and consistency. Well it was just one game. He was even missin his free throws. ANYWAYS. Back to the topic. I don't think Mobley cares. He will score 53 on Kobe tomorrow! Optimism!
Francis's numbers are pretty consistent. But the way he plays and the way he runs our offense are definitely not consistent at all. He would have a game when he plays like a true floor general, getting teammates involved and shooting within the flow of the game, then next game he would go into the 1 on 5 mode. When your leader is like that...
Francis: 6.0 assists per game Kobe (a SG): 6.5 assists per game Kidd : 8.3 assists per game And who cares about Glenn Robinson and Ricky Davis? They are not leading their teams to playoffs, are they?
Brand is a hoss in the post. Miller scores 15 a game and creates buckets for others. Jones can score in the upper teens. The only one that's not a real offensive weapon is Brian Grant. tozai-Explain to me why Miller and Francis "won't work". Because Francis "wants to be a PG?" Because Francis and Mobley are best friends, and Francis will cry and pout like a girl if Cuttino is traded? Because a similar strategy helped a Philly team with a lot less talent get to the Finals? Brand is a badass, but how many players are worth giving up for him. Our SG spot would be killed if we gave up Cat. We'd just have Posey, while we already have 2 PFs who still have tons of potential. Obviously Brand is going to improve, but production-wise(stats) I don't think he really could go much more up while Eddie and Mo definitely can. Jones is more expensive than Cat and is not better than Cat IMO. Forget shooting percentage, Cat's percentage could easily be as high. Philly team was in the East, and that was when the East was ridiculously weak compared to now when it still is damn weak. Was that not the year we owned the East? I don't think Miller and Francis will not for for several reasons. First of all I think Miller is overrated, and the only reason there is so much hype is because the system he was in last year helped boost his assist numbers. Miller lacks leadership, his scoring is very weak, and his assists aren't as great as everyone thinks. Another reason, just a little speculation, but I don't think Steve gets along too well with Miller, if you look at certain games you might see what I mean. Again, I think the player's take some blame, but Rudy needs to develop a system that best utilizes all his players talents. I really have seen little progression or adjustments throughout the season. When players are on, we do well, but it's still ugly, and I wouldn't be surprised if we don't make the playoffs.
Let's compare the assist/to ratio now.. for all players, the top 50 includes such vaunted names as: Howard Eisley Jacque Vaughn Jay Williams and even.. Moochie Norris! it does NOT, however, include Steve Francis. Ok, I thought.. let's just look at point guards. that should cut out people like Robert Horry and Latrell Sprewell (a classically unselfish, pass-first player). Well, it seems like looking at the assist/to for "qualified" point guards does turn up one PG with a worse assist/TO ratio than Steve.. Larry Hughes (what a prototypical PG!), who has a pathetic 1.49 Assist/TO ratio. Steve's, on the other hand, is a sparkling 1.50. That's right, Steve's assist/TO ratio is one-one-hundredth of a point higher than Larry Freaking Hughes, who has no business even being listed as a PG, no matter what Jordan and Collins say. PG who rank higher than Steve on the list include.. Well, every SINGLE one, except for our man Larry. I think Steve is somewhere around #36 or so.. How many teams are there in the NBA again? To put this in perspective, I know Steve isn't a prototypical point guard.. I know he is a score-first type, and I know he'll never dish out 8 or 9 assists per game typically.. I just wish he could cut down on the turnovers! Sorry to perpetuate the off-topic direction this thread seems to be taking. to get back on topic: Someone told me that their cousin's girlfriend heard that Aldridge heard that the Rockets are going to get Andre Miller, Elton Brand, and the Clippers next 3 first rounders for a signed picture of Mobley.
I wanted to ask the question: Did the Rockets ever win a playoff series since Mobley joined the Rockets? If the Rockets haven't, I would consider trading Mobley. Brent Barry? Andre Miller? Jason Terry? Brian Shaw? Kenny Anderson? Well, if they don't trade Mobley, how about Rice and M. Norris and M. Taylor? Wow, except for Steve Francis and Yao Ming, the Rockets' roster look pretty bad.
To blame Mobley for Rockets playoff performance is ridiculous. Furthermore, to declare that as your basis to trade Mobley is even sillier. It's tough to judge a players impact on a team's playoff success when the team immediately (well almost) goes into a rebuilding phase. The Rockets roster is deep, and remember that every team has bad contracts, which the Rox have our share of, but near EVERY team has bad contracts. Teams like Memphis are offering up, supposedly, their best player in Gasol, to rid themselves of their bad contracts. The Rockets won't be able to move M. Norris or Mo Taylor, ever, unless Falk engineers a pro-Rockets trade between his clients (MoT). The Rockets are effective when they move the ball, they simply need to learn to stay in character when they are playing well and are on a roll, AND especially when the offense runs into speed bumps (road blocks), to allow the offensive scheme a chance for success. Discipline begets consistency, begets winning streaks, begets the ending of silly posts. Now go to your room and think about what you've done.
Come to think of it ... have the Rockets won a playoff series with any of the current members of the squad? Oh, no! Blow up the whole team
Good lord, if you've posted 177 times, I wonder how ridiculous the rest were. Mobley went to the playoffs his rookie year, that should hardly count against him. He was what, the 5th option? I guess I have to address your other point just because it's there...most NBA teams don't have 12 All Stars. Sorry, it's just the way it goes. So (surprise) role players actually are necessary. As much as we all want to trade Rice, Moochie, and MoT for Garnett and Andre, it's not gonna happen that way.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A SMART MOVE FOR THE BOOKS, ALLAN IS MAKING THE MAX (1,000.000) KURT MAKES THE MID LEVEL EXCEPTION. CAT MAKES AROUND 4,000.000 AND CATO MAKES AROUND 48,000.000 AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALLAN IS REALLY BETTER THAT CAT, THERE STATS ARE VERY COMPARABLE.
t21, Are you frickin' Dr. Evil...from the past....Allan Houston makes the MAXIMUM, which is like, 1 MEEEEELLLLIIIOOOOO Dollars....room full of laughter...uh, 1 BEEELLLIIOOOON Dollars... Actually Houston makes many of those 1,000,000's you referred to. Buy an abacus, why don't you? good for the books...so you're an accountant but you're not so good with numbers. I'm buying it...
Francis would flip out if Mobley was traded. Its not going to happen....if aqnything happens to Mobley, he'll be moved to sixth man. Thas all. Hes not goin anywhere. Hes in his prime, and we could get somethin valuable for him but I dont think letting him go would be the answer to our problems, unless it helps bring in Brand. Allan Houston and Kurt Thomas?? How much money do u think the Rocks have???? Gimme a break dude. If they both settle for 2 mill a year, Id take u up on that.
