WHOA. Wow. Well he didn't play good at Houston when he came. And anyways...wasn't he gonna go to Arizona??? But he couldn't meet the certain requirement for the SAT? And so he had to like go to some junior college? Anyways. Ginoboli looks pretty good. He certainly looks better than Nachbar. No pt. AND...I do not hate the Spurs.
. Yep, I stand corrected. A whole 227 minutes and scoring 89 points. Now I see why the guy next to me was so impressed that he told me how good Jackson had played for the Spurs.
The Spurs are the least exciting team in the NBA to watch. They are the Rockets long time in state rival. The Rockets and Spurs have more of a rivalry than either has with Dallas. Robinson might be a nice guy but who cares about that. The Spurs still suck. Hakeem was a nice guy. Yao is a real nice guy. The second Dennis Rodman went to San Antonio and we had those heated playoff games, they became my least favorite sports team. Well, other than the Cowboys of course
By the way, Stephen Jackson is a scrub. Ginobili is a good player as well as Parker and Malik Rose. I love Bruce Bowen to death. But comeon, Stephen Jackson?
Please! David was the best center of his generation - scored 70 in a game, had a quadruple double, was the scoring champion one season, won an all-defensive player of the year, rookie of the year, and a bunch of other stuff I can't think of - Hakeem did NONE of that, and the only reason he beat David in 95 was because he had better support on his team. David was all alone out there, carrying that team to the best record and it caught up with them in teh end. Not his fault, just Hakeem's luck to have better help on that team. Same thing with that b**** Karl Malone! people think he was better than dabid just because of playoff wins, but David never had help like Stockton and Hornacek. Malone and Hakeem were overrated, David was underrated. That's all there is to it!
Well, now I certainly can understand why some posters here have said that Spurs fans are some of the most uneducated fans around. You REALLY need to get your facts straight before posting.
Robinson all alone? Minutes per 94-95 season: Robinson - 3,074 Avery Johnson - 3,011 Vinnie Del Negro - 2,858 Chuck Person - 2,033 Olajuwon - 2,853 Next most Rocket? Horry - 2,074 Better help? FG%: Dennis Rodman - 57.1% Avery Johnson - 51.9% J.R. Reid - 50.8% Del Negro- 48.6% Sean Elliott - 46.8% Total Rebounds: Robinson - 827 Rodman - 823 J.R. Reid - 393 Olajuwon - 775 Next most Rocket? - Horry - 324 Like was mentioned earlier..."Robinson better than Dream" only exists inside of the SA metro area. The rest of the country doesn't see it that way.
Nice post Gator. Robinson is in no way even close to being better than Hakeem. Robinson is on the same level as Patrick Ewing.
He scored 70 in that game because the teams only goal in that game was to get him the scoring title. I am quite sure if Hakeem had ever been in the same position, he would have been able to knock down 70 also. Hakeem had one too. In fact, Hakeem actually had TWO quadruple doubles as one was taken away from him by the league. Wrong. Lets see, Hakeem was defensive player of the year on several occasions, two time Finals MPV, multiple rebounding titles, multiple blocked shot titles, and is the all-time shot blocking leader in NBA history. Also, Hakeem's career averages in PPG, RPG, APG, SPG and BPG are all better than Robinson's. Hakeem also has more career points, assists, blocked shots, steals and rebounds than Mr. Robinson. Hakeem also won two titles on his own. David - ZERO. And most importantly: Hakeem, unquestionably, without a doubt, absolutely, positively DESTROYED Robinson in the WC finals of 1995. If that right there doesn't prove to you who is, was and always will be the better player, then you are being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
The reason we hate the Spurs, is because they have the most blind fans in the league. David Robinson will never EVER be considered by any analyst throughout history to be on the same level of Hakeem. But just like Spurs fans thought Ginobilli was a ROY candidate, stupid Spurs fans continue to call the Mermaid the best in his generation. He's not even the second best, and if you count Duncan, he's not the 3rd best. And if it weren't for the cold war, he's not even the 4th best. And if you ask Knicks fans, he's not the 5th best. without repeating everything that codell listed... Hakeem absolutely destroyed Robinson in the prime of Robinson's career. Neither Ewing or Shaq got toasted so embarrassingly. Robinson was toast. Robinson lost an unprecedented 49 jockstraps that series. I counted. I even have one that I bring out once a year to give my dog as a chew toy on the anniversary of the undressing. And I believe I saw a soiled tampon hit the floor on one occassion.
Look, I'm not arguing that Robinson is better than Hakeem, but posting the number of minutes Del Negro & Johnson played certainly doesn't help YOUR argument - nor does posting a Rodman offensive stat, or that JR Reid was a leading rebounder. I mean look at that list; did ANY of those players (other than Rodman - but again YOU posted his FG%!) do anything for ANY team other than the Spurs?? Because Robinson was getting SO much attention; their numbers ALL increased - when Hakeem made that run didn't he have some guy named Clyde next to him - I mean posting season long minutes in this respect is biased homerism or idiocy!! Hell, Horry is still a contributor on a champion - Cassell still kicks it - Ellie later went on to help the Spurs win theirs - NO QUESTION Hakeem had the MUCH better supporting cast!!! DESPITE that Robinson was able to take 2 games in that series IN HOUSTON!! The series was decided when Horry (not Hakeem) hit the game winner in game 5 when RODMAN (not Robinson) left him wide freaking open at the free throw line extended - I close my eyes, I can see it!!! My memories of Hakeem that series are a blur of fadeaways with Robinson ALL OVER HIM, that went in - it was an unbelievable performance - otherwordly - but it wasn't career long against David - don't rewrite history to make it so.
Duncan is not in Robinson's generation; and has yet to post numbers equivalent to what David was putting up in the early 90's. His Pts., Blks, Assists, and steals are ALL below what David averaged. Also, Codell, remember David lost 2 full years to the Navy and another to injury, so posting career numbers vs. Hakeem is kind of pointless; although averages are certainly relevant.
Oh, and I've just got to comment on Ginobilli...if he had been healthy, he would certainly be in the running for ROY; seeing as though no other rookie has really distanced himself from the crowd. Gino is just now getting comfortable, and is contributing HUGE for the Spurs - numbers don't reflect it, but they will. Sacramento on Sunday: 15 pts, 6 boards (5 offensive - and timely), 4 assists; w/o him the Spurs lose at least 2 of those 8 games they just played on the roadie. Not saying he would have won - but he'd have been there; posting otherwise means you ARE HATING; and aren't watching.
Don't rewrite history to call Hakeem's performance a blur of fadeaways. LOL! Robinson was undressed with Dreamshakes left and right. The fact of the matter is Robinson was undressed by several teams in the playoffs. Robinson did little in the playoffs relative to true legends of the game. <b>Robinson will be an answer to a trivia question in the history of NBA playoffs compared to Hakeem.</b> Career Stats for Robinson 21.4 ppg at 51.8% 20.4 ppg at 47.4% in playoffs Career Stats for Hakeem 21.8 ppg at 51.2% 26.6 ppg at 52.8% in playoffs as a Rocket <b>Only Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan have a higher PPG in the playoffs. Hakeem is second to Jabbar in playoff FG%.</b> * Robinson is not even in the top 25 of all-time. Robinson did nothing in the playoffs, nothing. Robinson only made it to 3 Conference Finals, getting embarrassed twice, and he only made it to 1 without Duncan. Hakeem made it to 4, and 3 finals and won 2 finals, and was leading scorer/rebounder in each of them. Hakeem was a playoff legend. Take solace in the comparable regular season stats, but that does not make Robinson a legend. * <font size="1">60+ games. Shaq does too, but he's still too young to know for sure if it will stay that way.</font>
No other rookie(s) is distancing themselves from the crowd in the race for ROY? You are kidding right? Chris
further proof how blind Spurs fans are. Yeah, Yao Ming and Amare have not distanced themselves from the crowd. "posting otherwise is pure blindness, and not watching. That is the kind of blindness that makes Spurs fans not realize that Hakeem's career playoff record has distanced himself from Robinson's relatively meaningless regular season stats.
...And don't put words in my mouth. David certainly never stepped in up in the playoffs; that is why this discussion exists, right. I mean his regular season numbers are right up there. His "soft" label came from the Spurs lack of ability to get over before Duncan got there - for David to put the team on his back. It began in Portland in '90 and he never shook it. I never said otherwise. He, however, played great during the Spurs run in '99; I think he flourished when he wasn't "the man". Ellie & AJ also got him "emotional" that year - it was good to finally see. So, see, I can be objective on this subject...why can't so many posters on this board. Why so much hate & vitreol directed towards a guy who never, ever spews such venom himself?? It's one thing to not appreciate an ignorant fan's opinion, it's quite another to demean and denegrate the PLAYER that fan has an opion about, because of the opinion. Robinson has never claimed superiority to Hakeem, or any player for that matter. He just does his thing; which happens to be basketball. He happened to be blest with talent in that; so he did it. As for the fadeaways vs. the "shakes"; I was simply sighting my memories - the fadeaways seemed more improbable, impossible - the knife twisted more, if you know what I mean.
Finally, you admit it. And that is why your side of the discussion carries no weight at all. Legends are made in the playoffs, not in the regular season.
