'Muslim Patrol' vigilantes attempt to control London streets

Hard not to blame the moslems in this situation.

 

These thugs are in the wrong. I believe what they are trying to enforce is wrong, and using any type of thug tactics to enforce it is wrong.

The thing is except for the few bullies out there doing this, they don't have any real power, nor do they really have an opportunity to get any real power.

 

See ATW's points above. The scariest extremists are those that have a large following. Because you have proven yourself time and time again to have below-average reasoning skills, I'll leave it at that.

 

I've been posting in the D&D for roughly three years. I've disagreed with you, I've had you on off my ignore list. But, for the first time, I can say that I understand your point of view and say that it is based on sound reasoning. While I don't agree with everything you say, you are certainly not irrational or bigoted, and I apologize for calling you so in the past.

 

There's an area in london where no good music is allowed .

It's called the snow patrol

 

I didn't have the misfortune to meet any right wing extremists in Europe.

But the reason why I brought it up is because the fear that people usually evoke about these incidents is often exploited by the right wingers. Extremism feeds more extremism, which feeds more extremism. you can see it in some of the thread replies here---"They're aggressive while the masses are passive, it's just a matter of time.". These are very common themes exploited by the far right to advance their cause. Fear begets more fear.

I differ on your view of how much power extremist Islamic practitioners could ever wield in Europe. To me, they're just another set of idiots. I prefer to laugh at them, maybe even with them if they suddenly realize how ridiculous some of their positions are, instead of creating waves of fear around them. Until they start infiltrating judicial and legislative processes on a large-enough scale, I will continue laughing.



My two cents. Don't fight fire with fire, fight it with water.

 

I edited it out because it was an incomplete thought.

But in the interests of full disclosure, the thought went something like this

---But yes ATW, I can agree with you that Islamic extremists are by and large terrible people, we just differ dramatically on how to respond to that.

that's it that's all.

 

Remind me when the Islamists seize power, and start suspending democracy in Western Europe, if you want to pull Nazi comparisons.

A good example of this is the fall of the KKK---I suggest you look up Stetson Kennedy to see how ridicule can be a powerful tool to lock organizations down. Your brand of fear vs fear simply does not work---because how can you fight fear with fear?

You break the cycle. Enforce the laws. Ensure the integrity of the republican system. Defend above all else the right of these extremists to be heard---for nothing will make them more alienating than the light. Nothing is stronger than a healthy and sustainable republic that enforces its' own laws with integrity and purpose.

Then you laugh; because you have done your work defending the institution of the land such that these groups are powerless. Impotent. They can do no more than lash out in violence.

Increasingly isolated, these groups will fall on themselves. While the effects might be unpleasant, they will be contained within the prisms of a healthy, liberal democracy that repudiates all they stand for.

 

It's not about their sense of humor, it's about mine.

And my laughter is contagious. (but so is all laughter I suppose).

 

Checking in just for you. Lol..what would you have me do?

Seems like a stupid gang and the British authorities should deal with them like they do all gangs. I would take it a step further and just deport them to wherever they hell they are from and that way they can live with other idiots.

And fyi...the Muslims don't have one leader like the Catholics do with the Pope. Maybe Mohammed should come back to condemn this to make you happy?

 

This. Mob mentality. Gang tactics. If you're not with us, you're against us.

The entire time I was watching this idiot spew his garbage after spray painting the H&M advertisement, the only thought going through my head was "who the ***** are you to even think you get to decide what everyone else in the world should/should not see/do/etc" The whole point is that the religion asks you to do X, Y, Z...personal responsibility on YOU...not force others to change their way of life. Offer them understanding if they seek it, but to them theirs, to you yours.

Unbelievable. ***** these twisted nutjobs. That's coming from someone who's a Muslim, loves his religion, doesn't shove it done peoples throats and answers those who have questions about it without forcing them to change their views if they don't agree.

But keep in mind these people would probably murder me too. That's the thing most mainstream media and western society fails to recognize. Extremist muslims aren't just extreme against non-muslims, they're also extreme against muslims that don't agree with them.

 

dumbasses

 

What is the point of fearing a small extremist minority, if you dedicate yourself to ensuring they can never do any real damage anyways by ensuring democracies follow the rule of law?

If you want to argue with me that the judicial and legislative systems of Europe and America are similar to those of Pakistan, than by all means continue your thread of thought. Until then, your Nazi comparisons will be as off-base as your "Pakistan in American" comparisons.

The ironic thing is this whole War on Terror and the fear it has engendered has actually done so much more damage to Western liberal democratic values than the original attacks themselves. We have seen America descend to torture, attempt to suspend habeas corpus, flagrantly violate the 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendments in the face of perceived threats, and engage in multiple catastrophic wars. Should there have been a response? Sure. Should it have been infused with so much fear? No.

A strong and integrity-filled republic that follows and interprets its' own laws properly is the best defense against those seeking to force another set of laws entirely.

 

The Nazis slowly gained power in Germany by way of election. They seized power in Poland....