Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

I think Derrick Williams would fit really nicely as a stretch four that can shoot the three, attack the rim off the dribble and rebound. He is 21 and would fit perfectly next to Asik. YOUTH MOVEMENT!

 

Honestly, I don't see how Derrick Williams is too much different from Mook Morris. Williams is more athletic, sure, but I feel like otherwise their skill sets are very similar. Right now, I'd rather have Morris just because Williams hasn't really shown much in Minny.

 

James Anderson has a more consistent 3 pt shot and is a better perimeter defender than Marcus Morris. TJ and DMo are going to have to improve dramaticaly to become a regular part of the rotation. Both are inconsistent right now. Similar to Mook last year.

 

You are exactly right AFS. I think Derrick Williams could be what we envision Morris to be, except he is bigger and stronger and just overall more suited to play the PF spot. He is nailing three pointers this year, and his rebounding rates next to Pekovic and Love look excellent. I think a sneaky little trade to turn one of our PF's into Derrick Williams would be fantastic.

 

Morris is painful to watch. I'd much rather have Derrick Williams starting at PF for us.

 

I would rather D-Mo...kid's got game.

 

Agreed!

 

Lets go get moochie norris, and Kelvin Cato.

We are probably still paying for that contract by the way.

 

I think Derrick Williams is playing his way out of any sneakiness. He started the season with 8 terrible games and tried to force things and prove himsel. But 20 games since, per 36 minutes: 20 points, 9 boards, 60% true shooting.
He played under 20 minutes a game, so it's all relative, but if Morris or Jones was doing it, this board would be going nuts and calling him the next Larry Bird.

 

What do you guys think of PG Avery Bradley? I dont think BOS would let him go easy, but I like his defensive energy.

 

I love the Derrick Williams idea. Dude was born to fit into our team philosophy. He would excel in it

 

Let's trade some PPat and MM minutes for some DMo minutes, and 2-3 Asik minutes for 2-3 Smith minutes.

 

We are getting Paul Millsap end of story *Or were gonna persue him anyway*

Morey is going to think like this: Millsap is mature and has played several seasons now but he's still young *27*. He can play without the ball, post up and shoot the midrange. He's also very physical on both defence and offense. He's rebounding is great. He hustles and he's open minded and not very stubborn.

Hands down Morey is staring right at paul millsap in a very gay homosexual way.

 

A potential small trade

Patrick Patterson + sweetner (perhaps cash) to Atlanta for the Rocket's lottery protected pick back

Rationale for Atlanta:
2Pat has value as a stretch 4, insurance for Atlanta in case Josh Smith walks, fits ok with Atlanta as Smith can play both 3/4 and rebound very well for a 3 offsetting 2Pat's main weakness. The Rocket's lottery-protected pick has lower value with Harden onboard, the Rockets current record and cap space this summer for a max ... even if we miss the playoffs the pick would probably be 14th.

Rationale for Rockets:
2Pat has probably reached his peak, Rockets seem to play better with Morris statistically, and Morris probably has more long-term upside. Morris also can slide back to the 3, whereas 2Pat can't play the 3. This will allow some playing time for TJones and DMo, we need to see how their game translates to the NBA level to know for sure whether to pursue a star PF. It is also a way to showcase their games for a potential trade. Too much depth at PF, plus 2Pat will be entering his 4th year next season, by then the trade value probably drops as he'll become a potential 1yr rent for whoever takes him.

Kind of works for both teams, especially with the value of the Rocket's pick declining. Even then, perhaps the Rockets need to throw in cash or perhaps an Euro stash asset to make it work.

Kind of similar deal to the Budinger for 1st round pick deal this season. The Rockets certainly won't be bidding for 2Pat's services beyond his rookie contract, so best to trade when value is higher (relatively). Some may question whether 2Pat is worth a 1st round 15-22 pick. I think with many teams going small, and playing stretch 4s, 2Pat probably has value around that range (most 15-22 pick don't even pan out, give or take a little sweetner thrown in).

 

Doesn't make sense for the Rockets at all.

Trading our starting PF for a non lottery pick in a weak draft? That is just a bad trade and then you want us to add a sweetener on top of it? Trading a good rotation piece for a potentially worse player who won't be able to consistently contribute for 2-3 years

 

It's how the Rockets/Morey does things. By next season, 2Pat will have little trade value as an unrestricted free-agent to be (like Bud ... but luckily Rick Adelman likes him), and the Rockets won't extend him beyond a rookie contract with the depth at PF we have, and the potential for signing a (quasi) star PF. 2Pat is in that weird place where he won't net you anywhere near a late lottery pick, but in the open free agent market, could probably command close to a MLE, especially due to the need for stretch 4s in this league (hey, we're looking for one ourselves, just a better one). I think the Rockets learned that it got better value out of trading Bud before his final year, than they got for trading Courtney Lee, who was never a long-term solution albeit had a role on this team. And once a team offered Lee more (or was more desirable to Lee), the only thing Morey could do was to facilitate a trade to his preferred destination and get whatever he could back. Best to trade them earlier than later, or risk getting very little back.

And say you get another draft pick via taking on Chiacago's Rip Hamilton ($1M buyout next year, probably won't impact cap space for a max player), you have started to retool your asset base for a trade for a star (if Morey goes that way instead of using the cap space on someone during free agency). Would look even better if either/both DMo/TJone had a chance to showcase their skills.

Patrick is a solid player, but he's not the solution. That's why the most obvious star target on this board is a PF. If you're not part of the solution, to Morey, then you're part of the asset accumulation process. And you get whatever you can for him at his peak value (around about now to before the start of next season).

For 2Pat, and the trade to Atlanta, his peak value is probably now. He's still shooting 35% from 3s and just over 50% overall, he's only lost his starting spot for a little while and can be explained due to injury, Atlanta still has uncertainty about Josh Smith resigning, and the Rockets look like an 80%+ for the playoffs after a hot stretch (but is one injury or a few away losses from staring at the 9th seed again).

Plus ... next year's draft class is weak at the top ... no Anthony Davis/Damian Lillard, but it is reportedly fairly deep in useful role players. Which is exactly what Patrick Patterson is. And fortunately, we're not short of stretch 4s ... Morris is one, and even TJone/DMo could play that role down the line.

You won't get a lottery pick for 2Pat, that's for sure.

And you know why a sweetner may make some sense? Because there is still a chance the Rockets won't make the playoffs, which if true partly means you get that 14th pick without trading 2Pat (so dumb trade for next year), but it also means the Rockets get hamstrung from trading their 1st round pick for at least another year if getting the final piece depended on us needing to do that.

 

Great, just what the Rockets need _ another undersized 6-8 hybrid forward who is averaging 14 points a game and 7 rebounds and he will command a max contract. No Thanks...

 

Josh Smith would be the best option at power forward for the Rockets but Atlanta may have convinced him to stay.

And it's no guarantee that Morey has his eyes set on a power forward. He specifically said he will not be picky about the position when adding a star caliber player...

And the Rockets are weaker in the backcourt than the frontcourt...

 

I'll be content with acquiring these two at the trade deadline if we're being realistic..



And..

 

what do you guys think about these guys in no particular order for small acquisition before the trade deadline

1.Charlie Villanueva (don't know much about him except he can shoot 3s)

2. Marreesse Speights can play 4/5 good shooter and can go get it he could space the floor at the 5 for back up unit.

3. Channing Frye this would be for next years team out with enlarged heart should have a full recovery by next year