James Harden is as good a playmaker as Jeremy Lin.

Oh.. You think he is a playmaker?

 

So this has become a HOFs vs. LOFs. HOF = Harden Obsessed Fans.

 

No, we focus on the team ball and make everyone on the team better...

 

The ability to draw fouls is one of Harden's talents that contributes to his excellent overall efficiency. It's an amazing skill and he should continue to play the way he does as long as he gets the calls. Of course, on a game when refs are swallowing their whistles, then it's time to back down a little. Not sure why points from FTs are deceptive? Like you said, it wins us games and I don't get the image part too.

 

again, "wilt is not a playmaker"

 

Lol.. no. I guess you didn't see what I wrote... I wanted to see how many lofs would agree.

 

More like truth vs hype

 

That's what I've been saying. So why did you say "agree to disagree?"

Anyways, James Harden is a maxcat superstar who seems to have no offensive holes whatsoever. I couldn't be more ecstatic about Harden thus far (other than his defense, which is another story altogether). And he is a wonderful playmaker, far better than TD. However, my point is, if you have Harden be "the" playmaker/pg of the team, what is Lin supposed to do, be a shooting guard. Been there, done that. Vice versa, if Lin is the playmaker/pg then... Harden can be an excellent SG. Which would you rather have, Harden the playmaker and Lin the shooter, or Lin the playmaker and Harden the shooter?

I think we are agreeing to agree actually. I don't see where we're even disagreeing except to say that you like Harden more than Lin.

 

No, that is fact not hype.

When Lin played without Melo, the team won.

When Lin played with Melo and Melo wanted to play ISO hero ball, the team lost and coach left.

When Lin played with Melo and both sacrifice their individual stats, the team won...

So with/without superstar, we still need to play the team ball....

 

All from the eye test. Lin looks to pass to open man and occasionally attacks the basket if he sees an opening. Harden looks to shoot the ball every time and occasionally passes when double or triple. Now if you are one of the players who you rather play with? Now if the question is who makes other player better in terms giving them better look at the basket; I will say Lin. But if you are looking at points scored when they are on or off the court, we all know Harden can score and finish around the rim better than anybody.

 

Thanks for reminding me why I hate the LOFs (not Jeremy Lin). For quite sometime I stopped posting on the Lin threads trying to keep myself away from all the arguments because a lot of you are blinded by the love of Lin.

Anyways, you are telling me that Harden doesn't read defenses and create something out of it? Lmfao. This guy gets to the free throw line quite a lot, scores at a very effiiceint rate, and he creates for his teammates both in the open court and half court. His job is not to ASSIST the ball, his job was to be the NUMBER 1 option and score. While doing his part on scoring the ball and being that number 1 option, he passes the ball and creates for others. How the heck does that mean he doesn't read defenses? You have to be able to read the defense to get to the paint and draw a foul or score the ball.

Also, A lot of you claimed Jeremy Lin an "all star" point guard right after Linsanity, therefore he is 3rd in the voting ahead of Harden (thats pathetic). It also looks like he can beat Paul in the voting for the starting position.. How is he an all-star? how is he playing at an all star level? He isn't. You people are blinded by him.

Tell me how Harden is not a superstar? Just because, he doesn't play defense? Thats not all true, he does play defense but selectively because he has to use all his energy on the offensive end. If Harden is not a superstar, then Kobe Bryant should not be a SUPERSTAR

 

like them both equally

but truth is Harden is a better player than Lin

and for an SG, harden is a pretty good playmaker

 

And there you go buddy, deeping head first into the hate pool.
Have fun, have a great swim, catch you when you dry off on a better day.
Just to clarify, Harden is a maxcat/superstar who is an excellent playmaker. Harden is truly boss. As for Lin, I think you're letting all the hate out there judge for you what should be plain when you watch the games with your own eyes, which is that Lin is a hard working young dynamic pg who has been inconsistent but has shown flashes of brilliance.

What's the hype that you're talking about? That people think he's a good playmaker? He's a pg for crying out loud. A good one at that. Stop the hate on Lin. You people love to repeat memes on Lin. Has he become the Apple/Twilight of the NBA, where it's cool to hate on whoever uses an iPhone?

 

If Harden is not a superstar, then Kobe Bryant should not be a SUPERSTAR ?


LOL, :grin: Rings & Fans, my friend. Look at Kobe's fingers.

 

because Kobe doesn't play defense at all for the last 5 years or so. All Kobe does is score the ball. There is a reason why Harden is the number 1 option and Lin is not. There is a reason why Harden got the max and Lin did not. There is a reason why Harden got selected 3rd pick when Lin was undrafted. There is a reason why he was on a team for 3 years while Lin tried to look for a team. Lin got lucky with Insanity.. Not Lucky in the sense that he got to showcase his skills, but how everything took place. Lin is not better than more than half the starting point guards in the league.

 

Do you believe that Harden has played like a super star thus far this season? My quote was in response to someone saying he has not played like a super star.

Also, as far as Harden drawing fouls, it is a very good and efficient way to score. Typically the toughest players in the league draw fouls.. further proof that Harden has played like a super star. It is not "bad" for his image at all.

I earlier said that Lin should initiate the offense in most cases because Harden is already being asked to do way too much.

 

Slow down buddy, most people here would agree that Harden is a superstar and that Lin is not even an all star. You're being oversensitive. There's nothing wrong with people having hopes that Lin can be an all star pg for the Rockets helping to bring us closer to the promise land. Don't get all of us mixed up here as I'll try not to get all of you mixed up either.

 

Durant is not a superstar since he doesn't have a ring

 

Harden's been a superstar since day 1. Drawing fouls is a super power. And Lin should initiate the offense as he is a PG and Harden is overburdened.
Agreed!

 

I hope he can be an all star someday also, but currently he isn't even playing like it but Lofs are trying to get him in. Therefore he is ahead of Harden.