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[Graphic Footage] Cops Kill Man Cold Blooded Or Was It Justified?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BEAT LA, Jan 1, 2013.

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  1. BEAT LA

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    I didn't see a knife. For every 1 cop that gets shot hundreds of innocent people get shot.

    What do you think?
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Link to this data?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    his gut.
     
  4. BEAT LA

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    This happened three weeks ago. I don't see why he fired so many shots. If I'm the cop and I feel threatened I would shoot him once or twice and aim for the legs. This is why the cops should carry stun guns that knock you out. But then the man would have the right to sue in court and they don't want to deal with that. They took forever to call an ambulance like they wanted him to die. What's the point of handcuffing a dead man?

    At the end of the day, he is right. If I'm scared for my life and think I'm gonna die I will empty the clip in anyone if I'm protected by a badge and can get away with it. :rolleyes:

    The dead can't testify in court.

    Did you know about this before I posted it? Did you hear about the last cop that got shot in Houston? Every time a cop gets shot it's on the news. However, this stuff never gets covered. You can't refute my argument. I will not provide data because I believe you won't change your mind about this issue.
     
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  5. Kojirou

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    NO.
    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

    Anyone who has been around a gun, has ever fired a gun, or knows anything about guns know how wrong this horrifically wrong and ignorant this statement is. You never shoot to wound. Never. If you fire a gun, you do so intending to kill the person you're firing a gun at. Otherwise, you have no business firing the gun in the first place. The fact that you can say something like that completely disqualifies you in discussing this topic.

    If I'm legitimately scared and think I'm going to die and have a gun, then yes, I'm going to empty the clip. That's what you're supposed to do if you are legitimately scared and in fear of your life.
     
  6. Big MAK

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    They're taught to shoot to kill.
     
  7. BEAT LA

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    Yeah. So let's all be killers.

    Really? Only a p***y would shoot an unarmed man.

    I will shoot to kill someone carrying a weapon that is threatening me or someone breaking in my house. The point of this thread is there was no weapon. He said drop the knife several times before he opened fire.

    The only reason we know about this is because because of:
    1) The cop's camera caught it perfectly.
    2) There were several witnesses.
    3) Youtube.

    Forget this thread, I'm out.
     
  8. Big MAK

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    To me, it didn't look like the guy was coming at the cop, so I don't think he needed to be shot. However, he didn't obey the cop. I'm not saying that if you don't listen to the cop that you deserve to die, but if a cop tells you to do something, just listen. You'll have your day in court if it's not justfied.

    On a side note.
    My old roommate was one of the dumbest people I've ever met. In college, I read a couple of his papers in random classes and I could have written a better paper in middle school (and I'm no Einstein). He once asked me, and I will quote him "Friend: This beer has been upside down in the fridge for a couple weeks, do you think its gone flat? Me: Do you think the beer knows which way is up?" He used preperation H as lube once because he was out of KY. There are countless other stories too... Anyway, he's a cop now in DFW. Scares the crap out of me that he can carry a gun.
     
  9. Big MAK

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    You asked. I'm telling you what they're taught. Also, I can tell you don't have a CHL because they teach you the same thing.
     
  10. Kojirou

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    Correction. Everyone is taught to shoot to kill if they use a gun. Rule #4 of gun safety is ( after Rule #1, 2, 3: The gun is loaded. It is always loaded. Especially when it is not loaded) if you shoot a gun at a person, you use it with the intent to kill. If you do not have the intent to kill, you do not use the gun. There are no other situations or excuses.

    You can argue that maybe the cop shouldn't have used the gun in the first place. That I can understand as a legitimate argument. But arguing that the cop should have used the gun to wound shows that you have no clue what you're talking about with guns at all. Guns are not tools to wound, they are not toys. They are dangerous weapons designed to kill, and that is how you use them.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    When you tell someone to "stop", "put your hands up", etc. and they don't, and in fact they make sudden movements (i.e. reaching towards something hidden) and then actually come towards you, all bets are off. He warned him, clear as day, that what he was doing was going to get him shot. The moment he reached for his pocket, I knew he was a dead man. The fact they knew him by name, his nickname, even, suggests that the guy might have a record.

    Sorry, but cops don't want to end up like this guy.

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  12. v3.0

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    I didn't know Zack de la Rocha posted on this board.
     
  13. Big MAK

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    That's not a correction. If I said 'cops are the only ones that carry guns taught to shoot to kill,' then it would be a correction. You just added to my statement, nothing to correct. :grin:
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    In 2011, 72 officers were shot and killed. I have no idea how many were shot, so let's just stick with 72. You claim that for every officer shot, police shoot "hundreds" of innocent people. That being the case, at a minimum (according to you) the police shot 200 x 72 innocent people in 2012. This amounts to an average of over 4 innocent people being shot by the police every single day in 2012.

    Incidentally, there is no way that I saw the reports on all 72 killings of the officers in 2011, so there are definitely some that aren't reported to the extent of others, just as police shooting/killing people isn't reported to the same degree in every case.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Did YOU watch the video? The date is June 8 2011 not three weeks ago.
     
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    this is nothing more than disgusting behavior by these police offices. dishonorable, and purely pathetic.

    As soon as he dropped what he had, the cop opened fire. The cop should be sent to death row.
     
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    So.. a cop can order anyone to put their hands up, and if they don't comply they have every right to open fire on them?

    PUH-LEEZ
     
  18. Eric Riley

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    No, but if the officer knows/feels that the suspect has a weapon then he does have every right to protect himself. You have to consider the distance between the two:

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    "A suspect with a knife can close 7 paces and deliver deadly force within 1.5 seconds."
     
  19. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    He was warned to stop reaching for whatever he was reaching for multiple times. I don't see an issue with this. Also remember that Cops aren't trained to shoot to wound a threat. The shoot to kill.
     
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  20. BEAT LA

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    It's fine you don't see an issue with an officer emptying a clip on an unarmed man. What about the fact that it took over 5 minutes for them to call an ambulance? And what's the point of cuffing a dead man?
     

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