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Lay off Rudy

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MadMonk, Feb 12, 2003.

  1. daoshi

    daoshi Member

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    This is absurd! Didn't the Rockets played a good inside-outside game against the Jazz? Yao & Francis did most of the damage as you'd like to see. The problem is Mobley's cold shooting, which happens with shooters.

    Yes, they did make a mental mistake on the last play, but it's not like they are the only team did that.

    Leave Rudy alone, let them play, at least until the end of the season.
     
  2. verse

    verse Member

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    so, if i don't have a voice actuated recording of rudy, it can't be true right? and writers are always reliable, right heypee?

    weren't you accusing a certain writer (ahem, Fran Blinebury) of lying just a few days ago? oh, i think you called it...let's see... a "fictional conversation" with Oscar Robertson). so Fran can lie when it's convenient and supportive of your argument, right?


    be consistent before you tell me to shut up, big boy....
     
  3. verse

    verse Member

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    hell, even if NOBODY heard rudy...we all saw the play! is that not enough proof for you??!!



    either

    a) they just ignored rudy or forgot what he said or had a brainfart or whatever

    or

    b) rudy did not make it explicitly clear what he wanted them to do...


    ...to imply that he told them to foul and they didn't is bull****, imho. maybe one player...but both players not even playing up close to their man. for God's sake, malone had his f*cking back turned to the rim and no one even flinched towards fouling him.

    if you believe that crap rudy said, fine.


    rudy is a country boy, and you know how country boys like their sheep.... ;)
     
  4. luckystrikes

    luckystrikes Member

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    Verse, there's no point in arguing with these guys. Rudy lays golden turds, didn't you know that? I feel ya partner. Could have, would have, should have, the fact is, that it didn't. That's the point verse and I are trying to make. If he called it, then why was absolutely no attempt to made to foul? None. Something's wrong here.



    Verse, are you familiar with "Jack Johnson, or In a silent way?" Two of my faves.
     
  5. buckaroo

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    from the article which caught my eye...and did make sense to me....i wonder if this was translation/communications problem between yao and rudy...sounds like yao was unsure what to do...
     
  6. buckaroo

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    from the chron article which caught my eye...and didnt make sense to me....i wonder if this was a translation/communication problem between yao and rudy...sounds like yao was unsure what to do...
     
  7. Uprising

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    man...go back to the NBA forum.
    We have more than enough Jacka$$ remarks in the Rockets forum.
     
  8. pippendagimp

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    Even if one wants to give rudy the benefit of the doubt on the non-foul at the end of regulation, how can anyone not be appalled at the team's complete disarray and lack of direction in the first 3 min of OT?? Our offense was out of control with no real plays and all the players were confused on defense. The whole while rudy did not even call a TO. He has no control over this team.
     
  9. DreamWeaver

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    I agree with MadMonk that we should lay off Rudy as in "letting him go". In Corporate America, 30-year employees are laid off routinely. Why should pro-basketball be any different. After all, we were told many times that this is a business.

    I don't think yesterday's loss alone should justify Rudy's firing, but over the course of this season, we have seen Rudy outcoached and his strategy ignored. I, for one, like to see proactive measures taken to correct existing problems and I think replacing Rudy is a good place to start.
     
  10. orien

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    i want to see a teamwork rockets.
    i want to win, not personal high score or something else.
    its a five people game...not a single one.:(
     
  11. heypartner

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    We are talking about two Chronicle writers here telling the same story, big boy. And if two writers (one of which is sitting next to the bench) and the other who is not shy about questioning Ruyd and wanting to replace him isn't enough for you, then what's up with the veracity of you mentioning the Jazz announcers.

    So you use media guys when it's convenient and supportive of your argument, right.

    be consistent...

    as you've been told by others today, you are simply weaving this tale to continue your bashing of Rudy. So we should replace Rudy all you want, but don't tell me he is lying to protect his ego with a shred of evidence when Feigen and Fran (separately) thought it was the story of the lockerroom and reported it as players missing assigments.

    as for watching the play, that is a bang-bang play. You have a split second to foul Malone (they won't call a foul off ball), and you do not want to foul the shooter--Harpring. Malone was on the move before the pick, right? Without immediate reaction, Terence doesn't have another shot as Malone passed nearly immediately.

    imo, Yao was not really reacting well to the play. I could be wrong, but it seemed like (giving the length of time that Malone was foul-able) that it was only Terence's play to make to me. Remember, Rudy is basing his initial comments on no replay. I didn't think Yao was close enough; hence, Yao's answer to the question.

    And yeah, even without brainfart mistakes, it is impossible for Utah to shake Malone loose for a bang bang dish pass before a foul. impossible. it can never happen. So Rudy *must* be lying.
    verse,

    you're reaching buddy.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Why would Rudy be laid off, coaches are fired not laid off.
     
  13. verse

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    hmm, nice to know i've been neatly categorized as a "rudy basher" :rolleyes:

    i prefer to think of it as a smart bball proponent...i'll give rudy props when he does smart things and i'll call him out when he does stupid things.


    slice and spin it however you want to, heypee, but that was far from smart bball...


    when rudy is no longer coaching this team (i'd say by the end of next year at the longest), you can point back to stupid mistakes like this for your reason...

    [​IMG]
    "go rudy go! it's always the players' faults!"
     
  14. DreamWeaver

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    Good point. Let's fire Rudy. ;)
     
  15. Woofer

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    I thought the title meant, the Rockets should have a layoff of one employee, Rudy T. We should be able to edit our thread titles, too. :)
     
  16. heypartner

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    verse,

    where did I ever call it smart basketball. where did Rudy call it smart basketball. He called it a failed assignment. Don't change the subject. You called Rudy a liar, with zero shred of evidence.

    oh, and verse, why don't you go into Jeff's thread about this topic and read Castors comments regarding seeing Rudy on television saying clearly "Why didn't they foul?"

    Read Juan's reason for why fatal hesitation (by a 22yr old TMo no less) can occur on that play, and read his tape replay accounts regarding Yao not being close enough to foul. It was only one player, as Rudy did not have the benefit of tape to see for sure if Yao was close enough; hence, Yao's quote.

    So, let's count them:

    <ol><li>Feigen sitting next to the bench and questioned the players reported Rudy's instructions to foul,
    <li>Fran (someone recently saying Rudy is not in control) reported Rudy's instructions also after questioning the players
    <li>Juan Valdez's says his tape replay shows Yao out of reach to foul
    <li>Yao's quotes say the identical thing
    <li>Castor27 says that his replay showed Rudy saying "Why didn't they foul, and the biggie
    <li><b>You said you can understand if it was just one player</b> see Juan's comments and my seats agree with that only Terence could foul him before the quick pass</ol>

    Now verse, <b>you list your evidence again.</b> 'ehpartner

    give it up...Rudy did not lie.
     
  17. verse

    verse Member

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    would you rather i cut & paste them, rephrase them, or just add to the list?


    i've already laid it out. you disagree, fine.

    baaaaa...baaaaaa...
     
  18. heypartner

    heypartner Member

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    verse, you said that you could understand if only one player made the mistake. Well, according to tape replay accounts, Yao was not within reach, so you have to now say that you understand. Do you want me to cut and paste?
     
  19. verse

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    funny....i thought there were four people involved in that play...


    check the tape again...
     
  20. heypartner

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    So, you are calling Juan and Yao liars now for saying they didn't think he could foul.
     

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