Christmas 2012 - Islamist intolerance in Indonesia and Nigeria

True, good point. Anything else you see that is different between most of the Muslim countries and western countries? Maybe related to quality of life? income? gdp? etc

Well thanks for this at least. This shows that you are only posting negative articles on Islam because it just happens to be that you live in an era that Islam is having sort of a dark age. If you were an adult during WWII, you would be vehemently spewing negativity about Germany and Japan on as many street corners as you could....correct?

 

Brave souls. They have my respect.

 

Why is it bad to be intolerant of extremism? That's silly, even for you.

 

Horrible. Very sad to see people can't respect others' beliefs in some places.

 

Hayes, what you say is self evident. Congratulations. "Intolerant of extremism". Hey I'm intolerant of ATW's extremism.

You haven't been on the board much since your all out support for the Iraq War, but ATW has posted for years stuff against Muslims on a near daily basis, indicating an unhealthy extremism or obsession on his part. .

 

Where did atw single out extremists? He pretty much grneralized the muslims and the countries themselves

 

I was listening to the Michael Berry show today and the crazy mofo pretty much just said "Muslims are bad people. I'm not going to sit here and say they are nice because there is no audience that would follow that. The guy is seriously such a hate mongorer.

 

Not really. He clearly points out both that Islam isn't alone in having extremists, and that Muslims are often victims (something that would make no sense if he generalized that all Muslims are bad).

Glynch - I am aware of the frequency that Det is posting on the issue. That doesn't make your critique any more valid. There are extremists in Islam that do bad things. That is undeniable. I haven't seen him generalize that to the whole of Islam. I don't think you have either. If anything, he's too careful to do that. But it offends your obsession with making every conversation about the bad white man/West, which is why you stretch and make silly arguments like "I am intolerant of his intolerance to intolerance!" Most of these threads should be two posts: 1st post - "incident happened," 2nd post - "that sucks."

 

Nice of you to finally admit this.

 

Can you quote atw blaming extremists and not muslims and islam in general were responsible for what happened in nigeria and indonesia

 

Sure. Look at the thread title: Islamist intolerance in Indonesia and Nigeria.

Islamist Defined:

Islamist [ˈɪzləmɪst]
adj
(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism
n
(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) a supporter or advocate of Islamic fundamentalism

Then in response to fchowd0311's post on Islam in Senegal he says:

Clearly he couldn't think all Muslims are intolerant and thank fchowd for an example showing otherwise. Further he indicates his belief that what were tolerant versions of Islam are being infiltrated by intolerance, which again shows he doesn't sweep a broad brush on all Muslims (otherwise they wouldn't be infiltrated, they'd already be intolerant).

Later we again have him separating "Muslims" in general from Islamists:

That wouldn't make sense if Muslims and Islamists were synonymous (why would an intolerance fundamentalist attack another for disagreeing with them when they didn't disagree?). So yes, I think the thread shows a delineation you are not apparently seeing.

 

"But...but...Indonesia is the shining example for a "tolerant" Muslim-majority country...riiiight, rocketsjudoka?"

so majority of muslims in Indonesia are NOT tolerant because of this 1 incident? Bigot.

 

His other statements, which you asked for and I quoted extensively, deny your interpretation. Stop being dumb just to get the thrill of calling someone a bigot.

 

how do you interpret this statement?

"But...but...Indonesia is the shining example for a "tolerant" Muslim-majority country...riiiight, rocketsjudoka?"

 

As pointed out earlier, I try to interpret it in context. AGAIN, your interpretation doesn't work. He said Indonesia is being "infiltrated by intolerance." "Infiltrated" doesn't make any sense in a world where ATW thinks Muslim is synonymous with Islamist. None. You're just striking out. RJ has pointed out that Indonesia is the largest Muslim country by population and hasn't (historically) had these problems. This sentence is clearly in response to that - "even in the shining example of tolerance this is happening." That he recognized other examples where this type of violence isn't happening disproves your interpretation. That he distinguished Islamists and other Muslims in the same sentence (ie they are not necessarily the same thing) disproves your interpretation. Try putting things in context instead of purposely being dense.