Bloomberg: Asian Voters Send a Message to Republicans

What about "bashing" China on human rights? Is that allowed?

 

Nah, it really isn't.

It's more like the phenomenon of how African and Arab countries use the West to justify every idiotic thing they've done after decolonization. I sort of hope China can avoid doing that with their history, but maybe my hopes are too high?

Honestly, it's bad enough that LOFs clutter up the GARM these days.

 

First, I'd like to be clear that I respect all upstanding people in general, no matter their background. As it pertains to your question, I can't do the subject justice here, but I'll be happy to share some thoughts.

Communism was one of the most powerful political and intellectual movements the world had ever seen. At its height, nearly a third of the world's people were ruled by Communist leaders. Its rise, however, wasn't without its problems, and communists were frequently met head-on with widespread economic failure or resorted to devastating violence. This ultimately resulted in a loss of faith in the system and its spectacular demise in most of the world in 1989.

But its appeal to the common man was simple: freedom and justice first; wealth, second. Many of its revolutionaries sought freedom from colonization, imperialization, and dictatorships, whether it was Ho Chi Minh's Vietnam or Che in Cuba. Its influence was far and widespread, then and now. Many of the world's most respected societal figures today were committed democratic socialists. These include people, like Martin Luther King, Jr and George Orwell.

As it relates to Asia, the stories of the capitalist/communist divide in nations like China, Vietnam, Korea are all well-known. For some, China is a particular interesting case study in the communist story. The Chinese have always held a certain reverence for wealth, yet simultaneously being well known for its famed work ethic. In the backdrop of its own Century of Humiliation, the Great Depression, and the uneven, corrupt governance of Chiang Kai Shek and his wife, it is not a stretch to understand why CKS "lost China" despite being one of the early right hand men of Sun Yat Sen and why modern China, as we know it today, is built on a socialist framework.

Mao once said, "Eternal glory to the people's heroes!" Communism, in all its varieties, came to be in different societies for their own unique reasons, but its general reach to all corners of the planet could be neatly summarized by those words.

 

Sure why not? I wouldn't put it past the GOP to pretend like they care about human rights, when they support things like torture.

 

Interesting how Commodore and (some) other Republicans think that Asians, Latinos, blacks and Jews-- basically anyone other than white Christians-- are just so much more gullible and easily mesmerized by Hollywood and main stream media than white Christians. We are talking about folks across quite a number of income, religious, and educational dimensions being victimized by MSM and Hollywood and the Democratic Party Machine.

Somehow, white Christian folks, especially those in the South, are uniquely immune.

 

Ah, the beauty of ignorance due to language and cultural barrier. And honestly, I think the Republican party felt the same way too.

 

Not exactly, they are not uniquely susceptible to demagoguery, they just happen to be the targets.

Funny how the racist Deep South has elected Asian GOP governors three times in the last decade (Haley and Jindal twice), not to mention Reps. Cao in LA and Djou in HA. But apparently the GOP isn't welcoming to Asians.

 

OP had the opportunity to make a Carl Herrara-esque title for this thread.

"Bloomberg: LOFs Voters Send a Message to Republicans"

Does that not work in D&D...lol

 

Yeah, the GOP cannot possibly be the least bit racist because they have Asian friends.

And I am trying to remember what specific Asian targeted propaganda the Dems produced that they were not doing 10 or 20 years ago.


Here is one writer's take on this: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/asian-americans-destroy-makertaker.html?m=1

Also, remember Obama spent yrs in Indonesia, so he is kind of one of us Asians.

 

Well, in general Asian have above average intelligence, so a lot of redneck right wing dumb **** just won't resonate with them. At the same time, they are under represent in the elite class, so less opportunity for them to take money by manipulating fools.

The Chinese government has a horrible human rights record, and get bash for it all the time by both parties. Except Republicans are also in favor of torture because of state security and all such excuse, so the hypocrisy is often met with an eye-roll. Also screaming free market and tariff at the same time, etc.

 

Here are some thoughts what might have turned minority voters against the GOP:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...oose-rush-limbaugh-or-minority-voters/265002/

 

That was a really great article. It points out how out of touch some on the right are. They just don't get it.

 

I don't think this means anything. Non-poor, non-blacks/hispanics will eventually split conservative the same way Catholics, white immigrants and southerners did once our corporate, educational and residential infrastructure expanded enough to include them in the middle class. In that very narrow and specific context it's actually an undeniable sign of progress.

 

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My parents voted for Reagan, and never voted republican since. They agree with Republican fiscal conservatism and as the better stewards of the economy, but really do feel uncomfortable with the rhetoric that comes from the right. But it should also be noted that Clinton did a lot to make Asian Americans and immigrants like him a lot more and that impact still lasts today.

You have no idea how much damage the Christian right does to turn off minority groups with their intolerance of both religion and race.

 

Commodore is, as always, living in a delusion attached to an antiquated reality from yesteryear. I'll explain that a very visible new Asian immigration occurred after the Vietnam War, and the adults in this group were, of course, feverishly anti-communist and still attached to their homeland. They naturally supported the warmongering Republican Party. What's happened, though, is their kids have grown up American and do not harbor any dreams of leaving the US to return to a liberated Vietnam. (a similar evolution has occurred with Cuban Americans, by the way). These younger Vietnamese-Americans are often highly educated, very hip and are fodder for the appeal Obama has among the young and hip (an appeal that I will admit I find to be exaggerated, Obama actually doing little to nothing for them despite the spin).

 

I remember back when they first aired that ad being super angry at the actress, but it's definitely faded over time. I'm sympathetic to the argument that considering how few parts are available to non-white actresses, she'd rather do a short TV spot in another state's senate race than any number of things on a casting couch.

Doesn't make it right, but it's probably better to hold the candidate more responsible than a 21-year old, whose background and further actions haven't shown any inclination of malice, but of poor judgement/desperation.

She did make a statement of apology, then faded into bolivion.

 

A Carl Herrera-started thread would be something like:

[Bloomberg] Gaping hole between Democrats and Republicans filled by swelling Asian members.

 

Are you Asian? I am, and it definitely made me pretty angry when I first saw it. As we've seen over and over again, for much of America, the line between Asian and Asian-American is blurred, even as Asian-Americans are very clear where they stand. The very term of model-minority is a way of differentiating Asians from White-America, a way of enforcing forever-otherness.

The 30th anniversary of the Vincent Chin murder was this year, a man who was killed during a severe global recession. The men who perpetrated the crime were fueled by anti-Japan sentiment, and they never made the distinction that Mr. Chin was 1. Chinese, and 2. an American.

Now I'm not painting Republicans as violent criminals, and I'm not at all fearful of losing my life to a hate crime. But people who make these commercials definitely know what they're doing when they blow this particular dog whistle. I'm here to tell you that minorities hear them too. They see commercials like this and are fired up to vote.

This particular ad was actually filmed in 2010 for the mid-term elections, and reused during this election season since it was so effective in getting Republicans elected. It's probably a telling sign that in order to even get enough Asian extras in to film the thing they had to pull a bait-and-switch, then mislead their extras as to the tone of the ad.

Education reform is a positive thing, and I agree with many Republican positions on changing the way teachers are rewarded at the K-12 level. However, this is a party nationwide that refuses to acknowledge climate change and evolution, has scrubbed textbooks of historical figures whose political views they don't agree with, and has proposed in several of their budgets to drastically reduce the NIH and NSF budgets, the lifeline of graduate research in this country, in favor of more funding to the military. They've also voted against Pell Grants and other ways to make college affordable and protect students from predatory lenders and for-profit degree mills. When it comes to who favors accessibility to higher education and an embrace of scientific principles to solve the problems of today, I think the Democrats are far ahead.

Someone already posted the Santorum clip, but even if he was trying to assert that the sentiment "everyone should go to college" is a snobbish thing to say, that's painting a wide swath of Asian-immigrants with that snobbish label. In my family, and in many others, it is the expectation that you will get your ass through college, and one of the faces of the party is saying that mentality is snobbish.

There's a fundamental disconnect between what you are arguing and what you think I am arguing for. I think that the Republican position on K-12 education is something worthy of discussion and experimentation, and I do think that unions are a bit too calcified at that level. But on the higher-education level, I think it is indefensible that Republicans have been obstinate at the expansion of Pell Grants and Stafford Loans, and have stood in the way of regulating for-profit schools that don't accomplish anything but defrauding their "students".

You absolutely missed my point here; at its core, every private university must be looking out for their own future, and that future is powered primarily through large gifts and the steady growth of the endowment fund. There are many avenues that a school can take to this end, whether it's hiring faculty that are world-renown and bring in massive amounts of federal dollars, having a football team that gets alumni to feel proud of their alma-mater during the fall donation drive, or simply by turning out students of exceptional quality that become future leaders in business and politics.

It is all a giant feedback loop, and I do believe it comes down to simple math. Most colleges know exactly what their alumni's careers are after graduation, and have very good data on how much on average they will give back. It seems completely reasonable that a college would bet on the student most likely to produce either a financial or reputation windfall. If their stats tell them that the average Asian will give back 2% of his salary 5 years after graduation, and the average White, Latino or Black student will give back 5%, and is more likely to achieve an executive position, which one will they go with? If they've got several rich donors who want the school to "look like it did when they were there, and not get too Asian", wouldn't it make sense to carefully control the racial makeup of your admitted classes?

My larger point is that institutions like the Ivy League (of which I am a proud alumni), for whatever reason, have less Asians than they should, while elite West Coast schools have race-blind admissions and a majority of Asian students. One of these feeds strongly into industries that are supported by the Republican party, one of these feeds into industries that are supported strongly by the Democratic party. Until this changes, I think that the gap among Asian support will not change until one side or the other makes a real effort to reach this voting demographic.