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Reggie Miller just said Triangle is the same as Princeton

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  1. heypartner

    heypartner Member

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    He said that in the sense that they both are reaction offenses to what the defense does.

    Honestly, I don't even know what that means in terms of both offenses being the same...so said. I know what he is trying to say, but first...

    1. wish oeilpere was still here to talk about this....
    2. Offenses either attack the defense in their guts or make them react
    3. Princeton moves the ball to read mistakes...it is a movement offense...to get the defense to make a mistake
    4. Triangle is an attack offense....it attacks you...that's why it is a strong side offense

    Don't tell me they are both Read Offense...they are diametrically opposed to such. It's like saying a PnR offense is Read and React Offense.

    We could say all offenses are Read and React.

    But they aren't. Sigh Reggie. Nobody gets away in NFL Sunday shows saying all offenses are Read and React. Why should we allow NBA Shows to get away with it.
     
    #1 heypartner, Oct 30, 2012
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    People aren't as knowledgeable about basketball, so wouldn't know the difference.

    And I think there are some bad NFL announcers who don't really bother to break down the ame.
     
    #2 Mr. Clutch, Oct 30, 2012
  3. Easy

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    The only similarity between the Princeton and the Triangle is that they both have multiple options depending on what the defense gives you. But that' true for almost any good offense.
     
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  4. apollo33

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    well they do have pinch post in both offenses

    but then again I don't know very much about the princeton offense
     
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  5. heypartner

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    There is absolutely no similarity between the Triangle and the Princeton. Any similarity anyone tries to tell you is the very same similarity I can tell you how a UCLA high post (cut), the (very predictable) Flex, or PnR offense can do a secondary "pinch post" play too. Let's track this today to see how many stupid websites try to tell us the similarities.
     
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  6. heypartner

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    But this isn't true at all. They don't have multiple options depending on what the defense give you...only Princeton does.

    Triangle has multiple options based on forcing the choice rather than waiting for it.

    Big difference. I don't like the Triangle at all...but it is 180 degrees different. And I don't really care to explain the difference in the NBA, because all NFL fans know the difference in offenses that I'm talking.

    "Make them choose and then you react...or make them react to your choice."

    Who chooses the move first?
     
    #6 heypartner, Oct 31, 2012
  7. durvasa

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    I remember Adelman saying once that his offense had both elements of the Princeton offense and the triangle offense mixed together. That's not to say that they are the same thing, but they are both predicated on ball movement and keeping the defense off-balance as far as who is going to get the shot.
     
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  9. Kam

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    iso-ball.


    1 vs 5.
     
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    Iverson.
     
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    Nope. That's only in practice.
     
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  12. heypartner

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    Adelman has never used any aspect of the Triangle ever. You probably are talking about beat writers for the Kings.

    Let me keep this simple...every team sport has two types of offenses...an attack offense and an offense that relies on the defense making a mistake.

    This is the same as Bridge and Chess...btw. Every game has this aspect between offense vs defense. Wait on the defense to make a mistake or attack their ass off the first dribble.

    Are you really saying the NFL does not have two types of offenses.
    Are you really saying Soccer does not have two types of offenses.
    Are you really saying the NBA does not have two types of offenses.

    In every sport and in every good game there are two types of offenses...one that waits for a defense to make a mistake and one that attacks.
     
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    Wait how absolutely sure are you of this. You seem like 100% confident that there's nothing these two offenses share. I don't know that much about the princeton so I can't really comment on it.
     
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  14. heypartner

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    I never said there wasn't 100% things they didn't share, in fact, I admitted it to make a point that (WELL THEN) every offense shares those things.

    The Triangle is an attack offense
    The Princeton is a read an react offense


    ok? Are we done....or do I need to explain ALL their differences.

    Come on dudes... Rick Adelman did never ever once ever run Triangle.

    You know why...because the fu!cking Triangle SUCKS/// Big Chief Triangle. And in no way shape or form in the NCAA did it ever work. It only "worked" with the media because Phil need to get more credit that Shaq

    just let go...If you want to believe the Triangle is all awesome and such...although it was invented 50 years ago,,,,that's fine...but please do not say that RICK ADELMAN ever bought into it. Unless you can prove me wrong
     
    #14 heypartner, Oct 31, 2012
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    The Triangle and Princeton makes your best iso player look greater...look at Kobe's numbers today
     
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    The Princeton makes your best iso player look greater?

    Dude. No.
     
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    the triangle uses the shooting guard as the main ball carrier (you know the shooting guards jackson has had right?) and the point guard as a corner 3 shooter.
     
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  18. durvasa

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    You seem to be very passionate about this. :)

    I don't think its that cut and dry. Adelman's offense wasn't a pure Princeton offense. It was a hybrid offense. Most NBA teams run a hybrid offense. I don't think its written in stone anywhere that a team can't have sets from both offenses in their playbook.

    http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-wowed-by-Adelman-s-offense-1534354.php

    I think Adelman said it as well (commenting on how he runs some similar things to what the Lakers ran with their triangle), but here's Elston Turner:

    [rquoter]
    "I think the back-cutting is Princeton," Turner said. "There is a combination of the triangle, Princeton and other things going on. I hear we run the Princeton offense all the time, but if you saw the Princeton offense, it's not really that.

    "There are principles, helping each other out, back-cutting and reacting based on what the guy in front of you does. That's all Princeton concepts. But the actual movement and some of the plays are different. Princeton is more dribble handoffs and ball screens. They pass the ball more times looking for a good shot. We're trying to get the first available good one."[/rquoter]
     
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  19. heypartner

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    Elston Turner:

    "I hear we run the Princeton offense all the time, but if you saw the Princeton offense, it's not really that."

    See, i can't say that, only a coach can...and the media still doesn't listen to them. lol
     
    #19 heypartner, Oct 31, 2012
  20. Easy

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    I know what you are saying. But you are making it too absolute. No offense can force a choice on a defense. You can only force them to choose between one choice and the others.

    For example, when the Triangle attack on the strong side, and if the defense chooses to "cheat" off the weak side and load up, the offense must have an option to reset on the other side quickly.

    That's just what I was saying. The only similarity between the two offenses is multiple options, which is a similarity shared by ALL good offense. It doesn't matter whether it's a read and react offense or an attack offense. Even the Princeton is in a way forcing the defense to choose by its player movements.
     
    #20 Easy, Oct 31, 2012
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