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I have had it with Rudy

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SteveFranchise3, Jan 26, 2003.

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  1. SteveFranchise3

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    He is a terrible coach. This team is not dissaplined at all. We have no offense sets, just one on one play. WHAT WAS HE THINKING NOT GIVING YAO THE BALL! Yao scored almost at will whenever he got the ball. He was in for basically the whole 3rd quarter and got his first touch in that quarter with 3 minutes left to play. Why did Rudy take him out in the final minute also? We need a new coach. He is terrible.
     
  2. Ball

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    I have enough as well. How many times were we out-scored in the third quarter? No adjustment, no control of the play, bad substitution style, but he is a nice guy. Sometimes the loyalty can hurt the team in the long run. I wish we can hire John Lucas as assistant coach.
     
  3. LiTtLeY1521

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    I wish we could hire him, too. But do you think he would want to be an Assistant Coach for Rudy Tomjanovich? Someone else will say it is Steve Francis's fault. Someone else will say the rest of the players just didn't score. There's always an excuse...Rudy does not care about you. :(
     
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    That is so true. People who did the national TV games said the same things about the Rockets, too many dribbling and one on one plays. No wonder the Rockets assist/per game is so low compare to the league cuz they hardly pass the ball. Too many selfish players on this team with the exception of Ming. If the coach can't get the players to listen to him, it's time to get a new coach. A coach is supposed to be disciplined when the players are not listening. If he does nothing, the team is just going to do the same thing on the floor, which is playing out of control style of basketball. There seems to be no real strategy on this team. No sets, not much going on, plays are too predictable and the players appear to control the coach rather than the other way around. It's time to change the coaching job if this team is going any where. Time to bring in a coach who'll bring disciplines and fundamental basketball on this team because this team has NO FUNDAMENTAL whatsoever.

    Not only Rudy doesn't seem to have real strategy on the court, he also makes some of the dumbest things on the court like sitting Francis and Yao at the Spurs game when the game is tied up with 2 mins left. And also how many times have you seen when Yao got hot Rudy start taking him out or start running away from him? Is this dumb or whAT?

    Enough of questions, it's TIME TO FIRE RUDY!!!
     
  5. montelwilliams

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    The Rudy-lovers on this board are the reason why Rudy isn't fired. The Rox have to keep him for SENTIMENTAL reasons. Meanwhile, the team continues to crash and burn. :(
     
  6. LiTtLeY1521

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    I agree. We really need somebody who is either VERY OLD like Hubie Brown or VERY YOUNG AND RECENTLY PLAYED IN THE NBA UNDER A GOOD COACH like Byron Scott. They can teach the fundamentals. And we need to teach them about spacing and how to play motion offense.

    The owner still loves Rudy. They are stuck together. We will wait and see...I'm just waiting for Elton Brand to join the Rockets!
     
  7. rocketfat

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    HAHA....i LOVE it. after every game, there are more and more haters jumping on the bandwagon, and less and less jockriders coming to his defense.

    well, we welcome you guys, and don't hold it against you for not seeing what we saw months ago sooner. everybody is entitled to change their opinion.

    see you on the bandwagon soon DoD, Cohen and Free Agent!
     
  8. Furious Jam

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    One thing Calvin always says is that not all teams are for all players - a guy might do poorly in one situation, then surprise people in another.
    To the Rudy fans out there, I ask this: Is it possible that Rudy was the right coach for the Hakeem teams, but is not suited for this one in this era?
    Rudy's offense for years has been to give the ball to your star, then (A) let them shoot or (B) if they draw a double-team, let them initiate the offense. The problem with that is that the rules have changed now with zone defenses. Hey, I think the zone is a terrible addition to the NBA, but it's here and Rudy has failed to deal with it. This team needs a new offensive philosophy, different from the one 10 years ago - if Rudy can't provide that, he really needs to go up to the front office.
    Anyway, my main problem with Rudy is not the offense but the lack of mental effort he gets out of his players. Cat failing to get the ball past halfcourt when there was no press? We lost this game by one possession, and that was it. Same thing with missing free throws - lack of practice, lack of focus. Isn't a head coach responsible for these things?
     
  9. LiTtLeY1521

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    The thing is...although I LOVE ALL THE ROCKETS...INCLUDING JAMES POSEY AND KENNY THOMAS...They just can't think fast enough. Sorry...Steve Francis may see the game before it happens. But his teammates are too slow. I mean...the coach tells everyone to pass to Yao Ming. So Eddie Griffin just throws the ball inside at nothing and makes a turnover......SAD. ANYWAYS. Even if we got a new coach who uses like MOTION OFFENSE and a lot of passing. I don't think our Rockets could use it well. They think too slowly. They just don't think at all. Steve Francis could not do well in motion offense. Sorry. :(
     
  10. JunkyardDwg

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    I have to admit that I've remained fairly defensive of this team and its coach over this season citing their youth and relative inexperience playing with each other as reasons for why they haven't completely gelled yet. And while I do think those are reasonable and viable excuses, its just not enough when you look that the level of inconsitency with this team. And now, I'm starting to believe that something does indeed need to change. I believe we have the right players to win it all, a solid grp of stars and role players. And I do feel we have a good coach, but its becoming more and more evident that perhaps he's not the right coach to lead this team to the promised land. Rudy's strenghths lie in coaching a veteran team that knows their roles. This team doesn't, their too young. What they need most is direction and restraint and some good play calling.

    As a fan, I've tried to remail loyal to the players and personnel and tried to defend them as best as I can. But I think there comes a pt where you have to look beyond that to see what's best for the team, not any one individual players or coach. It's not about them, but the team, and what will make it function better. It's still to early to tell where these Rocket's will end up at season's end. For all we know they could "get it" by then and play at the level they know how to play at. But honestly, even if they make the playoffs, can anybody really see them going deep with the current offensive system they have? It's one dimensional in a three-dimensional game. After endurng this 4 game skid its starting to become clear that even IF we make the playoffs, the Rocket's could just end up like the mediocre T'Wolves and who wants that? Sooner or later, Les is gonna have to contemplate the direction of this team and make some hard decisions. I honestly, at this pt, wouldn't necessarily mind having the team miss the playoffs again...cause maybe it will serve as a wakeup call for the front office. The organization has done a fantastic job rebuilding this team, and for that I commend them...but its clearly time to take things to the next level. Can Rudy do that, can this current offense do that? I'm starting to believe no. I think to push themselves into the core grp of perennial teams, the Rockets need to do at least some of these options:

    1) Bring in new assistant coache(s) who are more offensively minded and can construct a complex, complete, true motion-offense (ala the Kings and Mavericks), yet still keep Rudy as head coach because the players like and (i assume) respect him and our defense is and has always usually been top notch under him.

    2) Bring in a true point guard, with good passing skills and court vision...perhaps a veteran...that can take the pt (and mentor Stevie). It doesn't have to be another star, just an effective pg will do.

    3) Experiment with the idea of moving Franchise to the 2 and mobley to the bench. Many players have had flourishing careers as a Sixth Man (Darrel Armstrong). That could be Mobley. Plus, sign Posey to a longer contract after the season (if money allows) and keep him as the starting 3 and move Rice to the bench where he should be.

    4) Toy with the notion of using Yao and Cato on the floor at the same time, kinda creating our own twin towers. Yes, we don't have any more viable backup centers, BUT you could easily put both of them on the floor during the game then rotate one of them out when you bring in Mo T or Griffen. Very feasible idea, one that I think could be very effective.

    5) Develop Boki in the offseason to be a threat off the bench. He has skills, and we will need them. I understand why he's not being used this season, but he better be explored and used next.

    6) Involve Yao more....run the offense through him and Stevie, establishing an inside/out game to make defenses honest. How the hell can you run an effective offense (against a zone no less) if you either A) dump it into the post all the time or B) let your guards run ISO's or 1 on 5's?

    6) Perhaps to be implemented should the Rockets fail to make the playoffs. Bring in a new coach that can kick the S*** outa these players and teach them their place, and bring in some new blood that will inject life back into the team.

    Like I said, the season's far from over, we're still in the playoff race and this is a very good team..but they are underachieving and are very inconsistent. And I believe, to have any long term success at all, this org needs to start exploring new ideas.
     
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    Give me a ****ing break -- good coaching doesn't come by osmosis. Scott is (1) not a good coach and (2) Riley's coaching abilities came with years of experience.

    What will Houston do with Tomjanovich?! He was there when Houston won two titles. He's not a good with offensive/defensive sets. So trade for intelligent players.

    Here is an incomplete list of intelligent players:

    Grant, Brian
    Hilario, Nene
    Jaric, Marco
    LaFrentz, Raef
    Miller, Andre
    Murphy, Troy
    Nesterovic, Radoslav
    Rebraca, Zeljko
    Sura, Bob

    University (Setting the Stage) Blue
     
  12. saleem

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    Rudy thinks that the guys will get it in time but he can't control the team when they they start making stupid mistakes. He has got to force the issue with this team and if he can't do it someone else needs to come in.
     
  13. sailor

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    I am officially on the "fire Rudy" bandwagon too.

    It is inexecusable to allow this chaotic offense going on after several years of "jelling". When Cat was a rookie, Snottie Quiten was here; and Steve has been here long enough too. And all they do nowadays is shoot, shoot, shoot, total street basket ball mentality. You just can't win games like this. Look at Sacramento, Dallas, Detroit, Utah and even the Clippers, they play team basketball. This is still a team sport!

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