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Yet Another Trade Thread (But This Time It's A Good One)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketFan007, Jan 24, 2003.

  1. RocketFan007

    RocketFan007 Member

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    I have been reading that the Cavs are currently shopping Tyrone Hill to a playoff contender looking for help on the boards, does this sound like us of what? He's a free agent at the end of the year, so he opens up caproom while possibly giving us a big boost down the strech. So here it goes...

    Houston Trades

    PF Maurice Taylor
    PG Moochie Norris

    Cleveland Trades

    PF Tyrone Hill
    PG Bimbo Coles

    Why Houston Makes the Trade:
    Add veteran leadership to the squad in both Coles and Hill. Acquire a hardnose rebounding PF, the anti-MO T, and a veteran PG to spell Francise for 10 minutes a night. Eliminate the longterm contracts of both Taylor and Norris. Free caproom since both Coles and Hill become free agents at the end of the year. Get rid of Mr. Dribble 22 Seconds Off the Shot Clock, Moochie Norris.

    Why Cleveland Makes the Deal:
    Swap two guys toward the end of their careers in favor of two young guys at or approaching their prime. Norris gives them a solid PG off the bench, who could even start if Wagner is moved to his more natural SG postion. Acquire Taylor who has proven he can be a 17-6 type player, if given the proper minutes, and is completely healthy.
     
  2. because24

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    I like the idea. I would pull the trigger. But I doubt that Cleveland would, because of MOT current situation. And lets face it, if he was healthy and avg. 17 and 6 for us we wouldn't want to trade him any how. Sorry.
     
  3. arno_ed

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    i disagree with the title, i do not find it a good one, if the rockets make this trade i will be verry upset. and i think the rockets should not trade anymore this year.
     
  4. codell

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    Horrible trade idea rocketfan007.

    You said it yourself. Taylor and Norris are young and entering their prime. Hill and Coles are both in their mid 30s and by the time we are ready to contend for a title (2-5 years), these two players will probably be bench warmers or out of the league.
    Why would you trade away your two best bench players for two guys that wont be around when we are ready to contend for the title?

    I do not understand why so many of you feel we are desperate to win a title in the next year or so. Look at the age of this team, We have time, probably at least 3-5 years if we keep the core together (Mobley, Yao, Posey, Francis). Lets let this team grow. It takes time. :)
     
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  5. Powerslave

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    I agree with the above comment about keeping the core of this team together.

    Does anyone else think we got a total steal in Posey? This guy is really athletic, is young, and I think has a great future ahead of him. That was a great trade for us. When the deal happened I wasn't too happy about it because I thought he was a terrible shooter. But I have been very impressed by his athleticism. I think he should now be considered one of our building blocks for the future along with Steve, Yao, & Mobley.
     
  6. RocDreamer

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    I like the Posey deal. I hope that we can sign him at the end of the season, but not for 50 million or something ridiculous. Posey is a hard worker and is all over the court. I have seen him poke more balls away and make more steals in the short time he has been here, than anyone else for the whole year. You gotta love his heart and work ethic. He does the little things.
     
  7. New Jack

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    I don't think the Cavs would do that trade.
     
  8. carayip

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    Posey is making $1,723,606 this season. I wonder how much we need to pay to keep him.
     
  9. Nova

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    I agree that this trade will do nothing to help the rox. But Taylor and Norris the Rox two best bench players??? :p
    Right now I'd have to got with Cato and TMo. But I sense MoT is getting back into form, so soon it may be Cato and MoT that are our best bench players.:)
     
  10. jo mama

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    though i hope we can, i dont think that we can afford his services next year. i bet he tries to get as much $$$ as possible and the rockets already have too much invested in guys who arent yao, steve, cat and griffin.
    maybe he ends up really liking it here and stays for cheaper. fingers crossed...
     
  11. pasox2

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    I like this a lot. That $$$ will come in handy and the two guys can hold their own on the bench. Maybe even resign them cheap.
    But the ten million reasons gets my attention. We can resign Posey, and legitimately work markets for MCE, short contract FA (with kicker renew) and S&T, esp with Rice $$ coming up.
     
  12. RocketFan007

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    pasox2, thanks you seem to be just about the only one who understands the value of dropping the contracts of Mo and Moochie. It greatly improve our chances of resigning Posey, and then bringing in a thug, rebounding and defending PF through free agency when one becomes available.
     
  13. ArtV

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    The problem with dropping Mo and Moochie is finding someone to take Mo and Moochie without us taking out their trash too.
     
  14. Tonaaayyyy

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    F**k the veteran leadership!!


    We have Glen Rice that can handle that job and Maurice and Moochie are still young. We can grow as a team together not bringing old timers and changing the settings for what...the bench?? If its going to be someone that will teach the players how to mature then it would be the players themselves and Rudy and his crew ;)
     
  15. peleincubus

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    What does F**K mean? Tonnnnaaaaayyyyy:rolleyes:
     
  16. Sane

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    Think about it guys. I try and I try and I try. One day I asked myself "How come every trade ever proposed on this board is unfair? Are we overvaluing our players? Are we overvaluing other people's players?".


    Then I came to a conclusion. There's no such thing as a good trade. I guarantee that there's no one trade you can ever propose on this board that won't get a negative answer. Even a simple switch of backups. All trades that go through, it's not like people say "Yeah, that was a fair one." There's always someone who thinks the otehr side got ripped off and vice versa.
     
  17. codell

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    You know why? Because 95% of the trades that are proposed on here go something like this:

    Houston trades:

    Crappy player
    and
    Overpaid player
    and
    Player coming off a season ending injury

    Houston receives:

    Elton Brand

    or

    Houston trades:

    Its starting 2 guard

    Houston receives:

    A point guard, who is a backup on another team, but who some think could step in and be a better starting PG than Steve and who will allow Steve to be moved to SG.

    or

    Houston trades:

    Underacheiving player
    and
    Player who was a 1st round pick but hasn't been able to get off the bench all year

    Houston receives:

    Shareef Abdur-Rahim

    or

    Houston trades:

    All of their players, except Yao and Steve

    Houston receives:

    Kevin Garnett


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    The problem is Realgm.com. What happens is the trigger happy traders on here go to this site, spend hours on end plugging in players and as soon as they see those two magic words, "Trade Accepted", they run here and post it in a new thread.

    See, realgm.com makes trades look so easy and one thinks "well, realgam.com says it would work so I think the Rockets should do it". Yet no one hardly ever considers whether the trade helps our team.

    The majority of the trades that are suggested will no doubt set team chemistry back while all the new players gel with our team.

    That is why trades are not made every time a team hits a 2 game or 3 game losing streak. You can sit there and say "I am sick of Mobley, he has cost us the last two games so we should trade him for Brent Barry". Well, how many games are we gonna lose at the expense of incorporating somelike a Brent Barry into our offense? If we trade for Barry and he stinks it up for a stretch of games, should we then trade him too?

    That is why you have so many advocates on here that would like to see this team stay together and grow. We can not run out and start trading people every time the team is not performing up to expectations!

    And as far as every trade being rejected by some of us, you are right. But think about this, out of all the "Trade KT" threads that there were at beginning of the season, not one, NOT ONE, suggested trading for James Posey. This shows you how hard it is for any NBA team, much less the Rockets.
     
  18. Sane

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    But the KT trade is a prime example. I'm sure you would've been the first to enter the thread and say how lopsided the deal is, and you'd never do it. Sure, now it's done, and we'd say "it wasn't impossible". But I can guarantee that 95% of the posters would've said I'm on crack for proposing it.

    Lafrentz and NVE for Juwan Howard?

    GM's are humans, and they take their opinion into consideration too. CD and RT may be crazy for sweet shooters, but we need toughr ebounding (so we say). It's opinion, and it's very very biased, which is why you'll rarely ever find an agreeable trade.

    In fact, the REAL trades that go on are MUCH more lopsided that trades proposed.

    But I do agree that we get a lot of

    Collier + Moochie

    for

    Robert Horry

    Reason: Gives us cap space, gives them size and depth.

    Yes, we get quite a bit of that, but there's no message board that doesn't.
     
  19. LiTtLeY1521

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    They're scoring about 2ppg TOGETHER. I guess it's OK. You're right...

    RAEF LAFRENTZ and NICK VAN EXEL FOR JUWAN HOWARD AND HIS 20+ Million Dollar Contract? That does not make sense...Mark Cuban is just smart.
     
  20. codell

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    Sane,

    Quite the contrary.

    I hated to see KT go. However, if the search function was working, I could pull up a post of mine that suggested that both KT and the Rockets would be better of by shipping him out via a trade.
     

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