durvasa, the issue here is that the Taliban have support - both among the public in the countries they are present, but more importantly, from Saudi Arabia and yes, the United Arab Emirates, as well as Iran. They are not just a few serial murderers without any support. They represent an ideology.
I haven't researched into this so I am asking you When you mean support do you mean from the heads of state of each of those governments just listed or do you mean there are people that support the Taliban in those countries like there are people who support the idea that women cannot get pregnant from rape in the States(the crazy fringe or the population). Cite your sources.
Pakistan has repeatedly denied that it is the architect of the Taliban enterprise. But there is little doubt that many Afghans who initially joined the movement were educated in madrassas (religious schools) in Pakistan. Pakistan was also one of only three countries, along with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), which recognised the Taliban when they were in power in Afghanistan from the mid-1990s until 2001. It was also the last country to break diplomatic ties with the Taliban. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11451718 http://www.ict.org.il/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=2ulQKubhoxY=&tabid=426 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban etc.
So we're supposed to express outrage against a hateful, backward, violent ideology? To what end? No one who posts on this board needs to be convinced about how vile the Taliban ideology is. Suppose there was more explicit outrage against the Taliban from liberals in the West. How do you think that would improve things?
First of all, surgery was successful, they removed the bullet. Seems like they expect her to recover which is great news. As for ATW, the answer is simple. This girl did everything he preaches. Had she been unknown, he would have magnified her Islamic behavior and minimized her quest for education. She is a relatively moderate Muslim who spoke out. She got shot, they tried to kill her a 14 year old girl asking for education. Instead of recognizing that the problem is clearly not what he claims it is and the routine failure of his ideas, he now expects another group of people to go out and get shot. Here is the problem with the moderate majority policing the extremist minority: the minority are armed willing murderers, the moderates are not. It will not work. It is not their responsibility. It's not even their religion except through a vague label shared by 1bn+ people. The situation in Pakistan is too complex. Speaking out is good but the risks outweigh the rewards in this case. Pakistan needs a savior and some sovereignty.
No, the one with the problem is you. If everyone was to follow your approach, the bullies will always win. There could be two reasons why you advocate that: either you secretly agree with the bullies and support them, or you are a coward. This girl is not a coward. It will take people like this girl and her father, true Muslim heroes, in contrast to you, to overcome the bullies eventually.
I'm a stone's throw away from being a total pacifist. No one even in their dreams can group me with the Taliban or any similar terrorists. You will never hear me supporting war, not for a religion, not against a religion, not for a state and not against a state. Never. For me, almost everything can be resolved in a fair courtroom, and can be fixed with education. The only time I would support any war or violence would be to save a lot of otherwise unsaveable innocent humans with an action which would not kill a greater number of innocent humans. Notice my criteria: innocent humans. All the same. Equals. Whatever you choose to call them - Americans, Arabs, Jews, Muslims, Christians, all the same. What necessitates action for me is: criminal or not. What necessitates concern for me: extremist ideologue or not. You on the other hand, are their ideological brethren: to get what you want, there must be war and the lives of your innocents are worth more than the lives of their innocents. your way is the right way. It is hilarious how identical your methods are to theirs, yet you think you are the opposite. The main difference between you and them is you get to vote for someone who will send some misguided people to do it, whereas they pick the guns up themselves. You both support war as long as it's the "good war". You call it War on Terror. They call it Jihad. You both call each other terrorists and yourselves heroes. Do you think it's a coincidence that your perception of me is the same as theirs? Do you know what a Taliban would say regarding my views? They would say that I'm a coward and I either support the "West" or secretly agree with them. They would say that I have to fight the good fight. That I have to speak out against the West. That I have to support the people who share ideological or statist labels with me. That my cowardness if what allows the West to continue doing what they do. They would shoot me, like they shot her. I can not air my views with these people without risking my life. Do you understand that? I dare you to find a terrorist of any kind of any race of any group of any state who supports no violence and no war, like I do. I'm not talking about people like you and them who count their own wars as justifiable, I'm talking about no war and no violence. I'm talking about: the only difference between me and a pacifist is I support self-defense to save the mathematically larger number of innocent humans from certain murder. So get it through your head: I will never act the way that you extremists want me to act. Ever. I will never apologize for extremist Arabs or extremist Muslims. Ever. I will never apologize for extremist Westerners or extremist Christians. Never. I will never risk my life to speak out against them. Never ever. Not your extremists, not their extremists, not anyone's extremists. I don't see the lines you see. I don't see borders, races, or ideological labels as lines. I see them as traits devoid of any more meaning. I will dedicate my life to support those who want to carry on with their life fairly, raise their kids, mind their own business, believe what they want to believe and live harmoniously with all aspects of nature even if they hate my views and disagree with them. My definition of these people excludes you and the Taliban, even though they have engaged in criminal acts and you have not. My definition of these people includes a Taliban who doesn't believe in war/violence, and it includes any soldier of any ideology who went into Germany to save the Jews from Hitler. Is this clear enough for you? I know you have trouble with any post over 10 words. Here's the tl;dr version: There are people who support war/violence and those who don't. You are the former, I am the latter. Your ideology has failed since the beginning of humanity. My ideology is the future, if we are lucky to live that long thanks to your ideology.
A total pacifist would never have wanted an old man to live in fear for the rest of his life because he drew a cartoon. Don't flatter yourself.
Case in point. The only thing you can bring up is something I took back and apologized for already? Just another sign of your bigotry - accepting people's self-assigned labels when it suits you, but not when it doesn't suit you. When Muslims on the board tell you that these people are not behaving Islamically, you say "Well didn't he scream Allah Akbar? Doesn't he consider himself Muslim?... but when you want to deny that Anders Breivik referenced Christianity, then it's "well he is not really acting liek a Christian". When you want to personally attack me, POOF, you don't care about the label anymore and you only care about your perception of what I say. Could not be any weaker or more transparent. You have absolutely no leg to stand on. You don't have any room to swivel and try to call me a terrorist or stalinist sympathizer. Nothing. You have core ideological views in common with terrorists. Your criticsm of me is the same as terrorists criticism of me. Your solution to injustice and violence is the same as the terrorists. The history of people who follow your core ideological beliefs is identical to the history of those who follow the terrorists ideology. It is people who share your ideals that stockpiled nuclear bombs, that supported the colonization of the weak, and generated the world wars. It's people with your ideology who have had us on the brink of nuclear war at least a dozen times already. So don't sit here and lecture people about how they should speak out against extremists. They don't and they won't because it is only your type which sees that link. It's only you which sees little difference between Muslims who support violence and Muslims who don't support violence. It's only you who sees a big difference between a Muslim who drinks and a Muslim who doesn't drink. It's only you who's actually claiming that moderate Muslims, more than moderate humans, have more of a responsibility towards extremist Muslims. You know who else believes that Muslims are responsible for governing the actions of Muslims as Muslims? Think to yourself, which Muslims are trying to impose their morals on the rest of Muslims? Yeah, you guessed it. The nerve of this guy to call me an extremist or extremist sympathizer with everything he believes and everything I believe. Because I don't sympathize with YOU? lol I don't sympathize with you or them, because I'm not an extremist sympathizer. I hate extremists ideologues. I'm not fooled by simple-minded labels. I know an ideology when I hear one. It can be statist. Religious. Cultural. Economic. Political. Anything. I don't care. The extremist ideologues of any ideology are my adversaries and even then - I will always extend my hand and keep an open line of communication in case they are willing to disavow their ways - just like I do with you.
What, are you trying to make me think that the Taliban sucks? Good luck with that! I love the Taliban! They are the best!
I never defended Breivik - what are you even talking about? I also never said what you just made up. I could bring up a ton of quotes in which you relativized or downplayed terrorist actions, always pinning blame on the USA for what happened instead. In fact, I have done so before and would just have to look for an older post of mine in which I prepared a little summary, but luckily for you, I am too lazy to do it. Your denial doesn't change anything about the fact that that is what you did. LOL. This is absurd. LOLWUT. LOLWUT LOL. LOL? Let's see. I found that post in which I assembled some of your quotes - although there are tons more. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=7071126&postcount=57 Mathloom's USA hate Mathloom's dreams of establishing an Islamic caliphate and kicking out the west (implying violent means - "pacifist" my ass) Mathloom's Israel hate Mathloom, the self-proclaimed "pacifist" Mathloom, the "pacifist", posting Al Qaeda propaganda videos: Mathloom also posted that he would love to live in Saudi Arabia. Let's see - which three countries supported the Taliban...Pakistan...UAE...and of course...Saudi Arabia.
Nobody's life is worth this crap. People have families to take care of. You want people to stand up against the bully, but the consequences can be devastating. If I lived in Pakistan, I would gladly be labeled a coward and try to GTFO. As a esteemed scholar once said, you only live once. Btw, http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/10/2404380/pakistanis-rally-for-taliban-victim.html
