Would you trade Francis & Griffen for Brand & A. Miller??

That's why I included 2 #1 picks.

 

uhhhh...errr...cerk...NO!

 

Because they don't have any chemistry and they don't play defense.

 

Francis and Yao are both untradeable to me.

I would prefer to keep the team as it is for a while; we've made many good moves, but I'm tired of so many new faces having to adjust.

 

Exactly my sentiment. Let's keep the core at least for the rest of the season.

 

Cant we just watch this team grow together?

 

You cannot trade Francis. He is the heart and soul of our team. And according to a Slam magazine writer, Griffin is a taller version of Adrian Dantley. First time I'd heard the AD comparison.

 

Be honest guys, it's a good deal for NOW. But here are some problems:

You're trading 2 people who regularly stirr up the small crowd we have, for 2, although effective, BORING blue collar players. They work their asses off, and play hard, but they're too....Utah Jazz. That's not what you want to bring to a team with already poor attendance.


Apart from this, Andre Miller has never won, and it's worrying. From what I've heard, he always makes the pass, but it's always forced. It's not this passing mentality you guys are talking about. He doesn't pass for the reciever to score or make a betetr play, he passes because he's.....programmed to pass. Till I canr ecall, he didn't have good 3-pt range either.

There's no ripping Brand. He's brilliant. But I'm not willing to make the Steve-Miller switch to get Brand.

Here's some things you guys may want to consider:

- Take a chance on Griffin putting on 10-12 more solid lbs of muscle. You can see this year, he's trying very hard to work in the post, and is sometimes effective, but obviously doesn't have the strength sometimes. That extra 10lbs could make all the difference in his career. He'll never be the Elton Brand type, but he can be very very good next year, and he'll be all of 21. Brand must be 25 years old.

- Next year, a larger chunk of the offense will run through Yao Ming. What does this mean? Francis' most succesful PG year will be topped off by removing a lot of pressure from those duties. That means Steve will be freed up to play better offense, defense, whatever. It's all up to him and his desire to do so. If you ask my, if we run between 10% to 20% more of the offense through Ming, it will improve Steve's productivity dramatically.

- Here's more to consider. Eddie and Francis are locked up. Brand and Miller are not. If some team entices them and they start forcing a trade, we're screwed. They may be restricted, but they can do what Pippen did. Trash the organization.

 

Great post, Sane. I hear what you're saying regarding Miller. He's not exactly a "creator" like you would expect from someone who led the league in assists last year. Part of that is a poor system and a lack of shooting on the Clippers. I think if Miller were on the right team (*cough*Jazz*cough*), he'd be a real asset though.

Brand is only 23. Most people don't realize that, because he really plays like a vet. I honestly think he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA, because everyone thinks of him as having no potential to improve. He came into the league strong and has been getting better every year, to the point where he is one of the best post defenders in the league this year. He's not a #1 guy, but he's about the best #2 you can have for a team.

 

NO AND A HALF WRAPPED IN A BASKET

 

Let's modified the equation,
what about A Miller/A. Brand for C. Mobley/ E. Griff. What do you guys think, then?

 

WHy would they trade for Mobley when they have Maggette, Richardson, Piatowski, Jaric, Odom, and sometimes Dooling playing swingman positions?

If you ask me, the Clippers should trade Odom. He's not doing everything he can with a pure PG like Miller there.

It would be nice to see him in a Rockets uniform, but they don't need anything we have available.

Maybe in a 3-way.

I can never see them trade Brand though. Clippers should implement the Jazz system, because Brand and Miller are so close (in the way they play) to Malone and Stockton. Try to develop around them. They should take their chances on Andre Miller developing a better mentality. Piatowski is in the Hornacek mold (obviously, not as good, but still...). Kandi is gone, so they should get something for Odom and Kandi packaged together.


Anyways, I'm happy with this team. I think we need to wait on Francis and Griffin till next year. Actually, I'm satisfied with Francis. One more offseason of working on his jumper, and he'll be unstoppable. Griffin will put on the lbs, as he before. I am not against trading anyone else though (obviously Ming stays). In fact, I can't wait to get rid of Moochie, Rice, and MoT. Rice will fetch a decent role player next year (with his contract) and Mooch we should unload to a contender who needs depth. MoT..Well, I'd like to trade him (because we have Griffin)...but, common...This the NBA trading, not the hand of God. Looks like we're stuck with him till he's 100%.

 

no. steve francis keeps getting better and better and he was very good to start with. lately both he and mobley have been passing more and i'm starting to think they're really going to develop into the players we need them to be for this to be a championship franchise. as to whoever said with miller and brand we'd be a championship franchise in a few years, i want to know why you don't feel the rockets are going to be a championship franchise in a few years anyway? everybody in the league is talking about how scary the rockets are going to be in a couple years. in all likelyhood we're going to make the playoffs THIS YEAR with the second youngest team in basketball in the Western Conference. That's just absolutely incredible.

also, i'm glad to see so many no's in this thread.

 

No. Hell NO. Well NO whichever way you look.

I would be interested in Brand, but I can offer Rice or MoT with 2 1st round picks......and that too ater he has been signed for a few years....

 

Clippers would NEVER do that.

It's an unwritten rule that you never trade big for small. Elton Brand is more valueable than Steve Francis. Eddie Griffin will never be that good, he hasn't even shown signs that he could reach a Rasheed Wallace level someday.

The difference between Andre Miller and Steve Francis isn't that big, one thing is for sure, Andre Miller is a lot smarter and a way better playmaker.

 

And that would be why they're in last place in their division.

I wouldn't even consider trading Steve and Griff for those two.
Here's a small article written about the Clippers:

Who were the four Clippers who told GM Elgin Baylor at a team meeting that they were playing only for themselves and looking to drive up their stats? According to a team source, they were Michael Olowokandi, Elton Brand, Quintin Richardson and Lamar Odom. Baylor was stunned to hear them talk that way. But why should he have been? Olowokandi can walk this summer, while Brand and Odom will be restricted free agents. In two summers, Richardson will be restricted. Where was Andre Miller in all this? Miller, another restricted free agent this summer, was in attendance, but said nothing, which came as no surprise. The Clips don't think he's a leader and there's considerable doubt whether he even knows several of his teammates' names.

Why trade for someone who only plays for themselves? We don't need that on the team.

 

I think talent-wise, that's an interesting proposition. Francis is better than Miller ... Brand is better than Griffin. Furthermore, all things being equal, I'd probably consider Miller a better talent than Griffin, but I think I'd consider Francis a better talent than Brand.

Boy I'd really love to have Elton Brand on this team. But not if I have to sacrifice Stevie "Franchise" Francis for him. So I'd have to decline, though I would think long and hard about the possibility of bringing Brand to Houston.

 

No. A.Miller is not a leader, while Francis is a one. Rox needs a leader to win.
If it is a trade with E.G and Cat for E.B and Magretti, then it is good. I dont think Clipper would even consider about it. Sec that, they might, clipper's owner is a cheap b*stard he likes young cheap prospects like E.G. and you never know.
BTW, clipper is a mess this year with A.Miller, the guy doesnt have the leader quality.

 

No....why would you even think of trading Stevie who is gonna be a 2 time starting PG? And EG is only 20 yrs old and has tons of potential. Think about Eddie in 2-3 yrs when he adds about 20 lbs of muscle...I can't wait!!!!