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Chris Simms' NFL Future

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by The Truth, Jan 19, 2003.

  1. Major

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    Man, I really hope you're not one of the guys that is openly rooting against Simms, are you? Like I said, I think it's cool to root against your opponents or someone like Ryan Leaf, but some of y'all have no idea how great of a person Simms is.

    Of course not. I don't WANT anyone on my team to fail because that hurts my team's chances of making the national title game. That said, I wasn't ever surprised when he sucked. I didn't care for the fact that he was named starter in 2000 (although that didn't last). I didn't mind that he was starter in 2001 (although I assumed he had earned it during practice - but he made clear it was given to him at the end of 2000 in his latest comments). I was annoyed that when he struggled in 2001, we didn't try any other QBs until it was too late. Of course, I had no problem with him starting in 2002 because he was our best option. I just don't think he was anything but a mediocre QB with a great name surrounded by great talent during his career in Texas. The fact that everyone justifies the "he's great" argument based on his winning so many games for UT annoys me, because it ignores the accomplishments of our top-10 defense and great special teams, which won some of the early season games for us single-handledly when we had a #80 ranked offense. He certainly had a good last 4 or 5 games of his UT career, but that's about it.

    I think his career at Texas is a lot like what I think of GW Bush's career. I don't think either's performance merited where he got to (starting job in 2000 & 2001, Presidency), but they both benefited from their name / reputation in my opinion.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    I am not rooting against anyone, but living in Austin and hearing Mack hype Simms constantly is annoying.

    The guys is an above average College QB, nothing more nothing less.

    I actually think Major and he are about on the same level, just that major is better at reacting on the field.

    Personally, I think Vincent Young IS the next big thing....

    DaDakota
     
  3. TheHorns

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    ...and is far from certain to be the starter in August.

    He is an amazing talent, but Mock has the inside track at this time and barring huge strides from Vince in grasping the offense. I do think that one way or the other VY will be starting by midseason.
     
  4. mduke

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    I do think that one way or the other VY will be starting by midseason.

    Hopefully a little bit AFTER midseason;)
     
  5. Baqui99

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    I wouldn't worry about that. No way does Mack have the balls to start a freshman against OU. I do expect our offense to look a little different next year since we've finally got some mobile QB's in Mock and Vince.

    Also, word is that now that Paul Thompson is taking over at QB, the Sooners will use the speed option out of the shotgun alot more. Kevin Wilson will find new shotgun running plays, and not just the sprint draw right/left. Kejuan is supposed to be a power runner, so we'll see how that pans out. The only way to beat the OU defense is to challenge the secondary like Fields/Woods from OSU did.
     
  6. heypartner

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    So, are you poor UT fans going to be arguing about Simms for his whole NFL career.

    sheesh.

    move on.

    Simms underachieved. What else is new; UT has been underachieving for 30 yrs, unlike Joe Montana!! oooh, that Cotton Bowl must have r.e.a.l.l.y. sucked!!!
     
  7. Smokey

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    I think he's talking about the ESPN the Magazine cover Simms did before his junior year. Every region got a different cover, I remember Dorsey was on it for the Southeast. Simms never posed like the Heisman though.
     
  8. gr8-1

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    Let's hope it's not because Mock struggles. That would suck. One reason I could never be a coach is I'm a "feelings" guy. I would be the guy that says "Mock has been here for so long, he should start." I hope Mack isn't like me.

    Mock and Young are both mobile, strong-armed players. However, I think Young hass this aura about him. There's something special about the kid. Mack won't pull the trigger though.
     
  9. Smokey

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    Mack isn't like you. Otherwise he would have started Applewhite his senior season.
     
  10. The Truth

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    Actually, the pose was more like Al Bundy's '4 TD's in 1 game' pose! (i stand corrected) I found it on a OU website in geocities but the pic-witches had gotten hold of it (ie. the headline reads ' Is Chris Simms Really A Woman')

    But unfortunately, we'll never see the Original. After an extensive search, all I can up with is 'File Not Found'

    Who does Phil Simms work for these days?!?!?!? (heh,heh,heh)
     
  11. gr8-1

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    Yeah, but by then, Simms was an experienced junior. I think Mack generally rewards seniority, and that's not a bad thing.


    Man I hope Young starts.
     
  12. Cohen

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    The thread was started by someone taking personal shots at Simms. I've never really been a Simms apologist, but it's really an ignorant post. The word is that Simm's stock rose quite a bit at the Senior bowl, yet all that can be mentioned is that he will drop because his Dad sucked. :rolleyes: What impressive logic. I don't recall Montana's father playing football, yet somehow he did ok...like ALL of the other pro QBs whose fathers never played at all. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    And I don't know what your problem is heyp, but UT is an impressive institution. You were trying to provoke someone? Your post lacks class.
     
  13. Cohen

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    'Nice' disgusting, huh.

    So...

    Would you rather be a nice, NFL-bound quarterback with an impressive arm but whose decision-making needs work,

    ....or a not-so nice BBS poster making personal attacks on strangers just to feel better about himself, and who will never be a pro-QB?

    You gonna get farther than that 'nice' guy, Truth?
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    Don't get the relevance to UT, but that was a hard one to swallow for UH and the city of Houston.

    I think Chris Simms is just way overrated, and IMO he will not make a good pro QB. If anyone can't see a world of difference between Carson Palmer and Chris Simms I just don't think they follow football with a critical eye, or are swayed by their allegiance. From what I here Simms is a nice guy off the field--but I don't know him so I talk about what I have seen (on the football field), and nothing else. From what I have seen over many games, Simms rarely showed leadership ability on the field in the critical, most intense, times of the season, usually looks like the defense is 1 step ahead of him (the opposite of Joe Montana), and can be as accurate as a sharpshooter 1 play and throw up the equivalent to an air ball the next play. I just don't think that is a formula for success, even with pro coaching, because with the pros the defenses are twice as smart, and twice as fast. If you can't improvise on the college level I don't see how you can at the pros. The only glimmer of hope to me with Simms as a pro is maybe an bargain version of Troy Aikman--who also showed zero improvisational abilities. But Aikman at least had good reads of defenses before the ball was snapped and was a strong armed accurate sharp shooter all the time--thus carved out a very good pro career.

    Nothing personal, that is just what I have seen. If that is hat'in, so be it, I say I am calling it like I see it. If I wished him injury or to have bad things happening to him that would be hat'in--but I don't.
     
  15. TheHorns

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    Hey P,

    Curiosity killed the cat... where did you attend college?
     
  16. Smokey

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    "Light the tower orange. The Texas Longhorns are COLLEGE BASEBALL'S NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!"

    Maybe next year juggernaut Rice can win a game in the CWS.
     

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