Ra's was holding the iron heated with the brand in Begins right before he told him to kill the farmer and you can see the brand itself. Its what Bruce uses to burn down his home. You'd really have to be paying attention becuase its easy to miss.
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Well ok...I caught Begins last night but didn't see the beginning, and it had been awhile before that. I remember the brand but couldn't remember if he had seen the actual shape of it. But still, Spoiler I think it's easy to insinuate that the mark he found on Talia's back sparked his curiosity, but he couldn't quite place it or brushed it off. He never actually saw the mark on a person, I don't think, and he only saw the brand once as he was burning down Ra's house. And that was close to 10 years prior. Not to mention this was a woman he trusted and just slept with...love can be blind sometimes. If anything he's too trusting, as he let Selina Kyle walk him right into Bane's trap In Batman Begins, the tumbler takes a drive on rooftops without falling completely through the building. He escapes the police, seemingly leaving a trail of destruction right to the road that leads to the cave, but they can't find him. The bat cycle in Dark Knight goes up a wall and flips around and an 18 wheeler does a somersault (both cool shots btw). The Narrows and the elevated train system cease to exist in DK and DKR. Batman takes a beating in all three films that normally kill someone, and his only protection is a suit of armor. And of course he has a mask that partially covers his face, doesn't change the color of his eyes and only slightly changes his voice, and yet the people closest to him and the best detectives of Gotham never figure it out. This is a superhero franchise injected with a sense of realism, but still superhero movies at their heart. Should it be a surprise then that certain things defy logic?
http://www.silive.com/entertainment/tvfilm/index.ssf/2012/07/dark_knight_rises_reportedly_e.html 'Dark Knight Rises' reportedly earns $160 million
My single complaint was Bane's death. They could have made that much more poetic. It was just too quick for such a massive character presence. Other than that, this movie was phenomenal. As good as the second, better than the first. TDK may have it beat by an inch. A very close inch.
Spoiler the breaking scene was incredible...definitely a tip of the hat to it's inspiration the bat symbol burning in the building gave me goosebumps as well sometimes you just can't hold in the geek
Great movie. Not sure which of the 3 is the best... Spoiler There is a significant hole that I am having trouble filling. How the hell did Bruce Wayne get back into Gotham? How the hell did he manage to travel from that desert town (which didn't look like the U.S.) all the way back to Gotham without money or identification? How did he locate Catwoman so simply? I guess sometimes you have to ignore such inconsistencies and enjoy. Which I did.
It wasn't explained but maybe he had money overseas under different names and whatnot. Used some old connections from Begins that he used in order to get around.
Spoiler Agree on the death, but when he beat him and Miranda revealed herself to be Talia and had a tender moment with Bane, fixing his mask, that was such a deeply emotionally moment. I almost felt a little sorry for them, felt the humanity within them, despite their atrocious acts.
My sentiment exactly. Also, more generally, a bit too cavalier writing-wise with the fighting scenes. Seemed lazy and not well thought-out. For a guy like Nolan who has a reputation for writing, this isn't a good showing. Spoiler In the fight over the apple, a couple of well-placed punches and we're left with a couple of unconscious bodies on the street. Then Batman arrives and they have a sensitive conversation with their enemies there at their feet, with complete confidence that they will remain unconscious for the duration. If it only happened once, it wouldn't bother me. And, when the column of cops marches in for the big fight (in a big column down one street, the stupidest approach possible), Bane's people all have AKs. The cops would all have pistols, at least. And, they do a little shooting, but it somehow is a big brawl and not a big gun battle. That makes no sense.
Spoiler if I have the timing correct, it has been roughtly 5 months since gotham has fallen into complete chaos and the city has become completely isolated from the outside world. seems like bullets should start becoming scarce at some point? thats the best I could figure
You're correct. Probably something that got lost in the editing process. No Mans Land has the similar scenario where bullets aren't to be wasted because they are hard to come by.
Ok, let's see what we can do with this movie. First off, it gets an 8/10 Definitely not perfect. I think TDK was better, but that is primarily due to the performance of Ledger, which was one for the ages. To rank them, if anyone is interested, it goes: Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises, Batman Begins But this is specifically about Rises, so here we go: (VERY long, you have been warned) Spoiler There were just too many.. *silly* .. things in this movie. It really took me right out of the film in several spots, and that's the only word I can think of, just plain.. silly. Let's go in order. CIA Guy lets three extra guys onto his top-secret covert airplane flight, without bothering to take the bags off their heads? Yeah ok. Silly. Not only that, apart from the spectacular mid-air grabbing of one airplane by another (and that WAS spectacular!), what was the point exactly of having that happen in the first place? There was absolutely no reason for it other than as a really cool set piece. If the goal was to kidnap the scientist, they basically already HAD him in their clutches to begin with. If the goal was to stage an accident of some kind and have what appeared to be the scientist's body be found in the wreckage or whatever, that could have easily been done in about a thousand less pointlessly complicated ways. If the goal was to 'find out what the scientist told them', what did it matter? Bane just killed them all anyway. It was just a pointless scene. Silly. Next. Bane was cool and scary and awesome. But as hard as I tried, I could only understand about half of what he was saying, it was just too freaking muddled. I will have to watch it with subtitles. There was no reason to even risk this, they could have had his voice be less muddled. Silly to take the chance. Ok let's see. Ok, the robbery at Wayne Manor. Selena breaks into Bruce's safe, apparently by magically knowing the electronic code to an 'unbreakable safe', and while Bruce doesn't see TOO perturbed by this, he and Alfred make reference to a tracking device in the pearls she stole - as though they knew someone would try to steal the pearls. Ok cool, so they are playing a larger game, Bruce is the World's Greatest Detective after all, so he must know what was up already and had been planning for it. Oh wait, no, not really. He quickly realizes that she was REALLY after a set of his fingerprints. Now maybe it's just me, but not being the fabulous playboy billionaire, even *I* know that when someone goes to such trouble to steal a set of fingerprints, that is a BAD BAD thing, and losing my wallet filled with credit cards would PALE in comparison to how quickly I would be calling lawyers, accountants, banks, everyone possible to let them know that my identity had possibly just been compromised, and that under no circumstances would ANYONE be allowed to do any kind of financial transactions based solely upon my fingerprints! But hey, I am just a regular guy, what do I know? The World's Greatest Detective was completely unconcerned by this, so ehhh we should just blow it off, that's what he does. Silly. And on that same note. A group of terrorists attack the stock exchange, kill many people, destroy tons of equipment, all caught on tape, and financial institutions are going to pretend that a massive, billions-losing series of transactions which are done DURING ALL OF THAT, are all just regular normal transactions, nope, nothing fishy here, no fraud or identity theft here, nope, Bruce Wayne, You did it, we know you did, we have your fingerprints so nyah, you're broke. So there. Uh huh. Silly. Now ok, this next bit is maybe not silly, but it makes me shake my head. Marion Cotillard may be a fine actress and a beauty, or maybe she used to be, I don't know. But one thing is clear, Nolan has a boner for her, just like he has for JGL, and she shouldn't have been cast in this movie. There was absolutely no chemistry between he and Bale, and absolutely no reason whatsoever for Wayne to have suddenly dropped his broken heart over Maggie (another bit or astonishingly horrible casting by Nolan) for her. She was at best a pest to him. No spark, nothing. Never a single moment in which we are made to think, ok, he has fallen in love with this woman. Yeah, he knocks knees with her, but so what? He banged and entire ballet company in TDK. And oh yeah on THAT note, um, you are, again, The World's Greatest Detective. You did so much due diligence on a potential business partnership in TDK that you knew every bit of the guy's shady history, so much so that you were willing to kidnap the dude from China and drag his ass all the way back to Gotham. But this Tate woman, oh no, nothing of interest here. And of course, you must pay extra special not-close-attention to her nekked backside and the 'HEY AUDIENCE! THIS CHICK IS NOT WHAT SHE APPEARS!!' in big red neon letters, in that scar on her back. Seriously, the only person who was surprised when she sticks him with her little knife is Batman. Come on. REALLY silly. More silliness.. ok I know it's Hollywood, but can we come up with some other new lame trope besides 'Hey look, the hero of the story has come up with a wonderful new way to provide free safe abundant power for all our glorious needs, and we can do away with all the evils of fossil fuels! Whee!' How many times do we have to keep going back to that well, eh? Spiderman 2, Watchmen, Avengers, and now Rises. Seriously, I was waiting for Doc Octopus to leap out of the shadows. Drown it in the river? Really? Stan Lee on line one, Christopher. But ok Hollywood, we get it. You're liberals. You hate 'fossil fuels'. You cannot imagine anyone NOT hating fossil fuels, so to you, the most heroically heroic thing a hero can do is come up with a way to banish those evil wicked fossil fuels and all those oil company profits! Boo! Hiss. But you too Nolan? Not just silly, but lazy. Onward.. Every cop in the city? Really? Every single cop, into 'the sewers'.. First of all, there's no such thing as 'the sewers'. I mean, there is as much area underground in a city of that size as there is above ground, and the idea that you could or would just march... (giggle) every.. single.. cop... into 'the sewers'.. and THEN magically trap them there with a couple of explosions.. well.. ok... if you say so Nolan.. and he DID say they get some food and water, so, ok.. But they must have had some really good health care facilities down there, some gymnasiums, and some pretty good dry-cleaners, maybe a spa.. because those cops came out after being buried in.. 'the sewers'... for three months.. and not one dirty uniform, not one emaciated cop, all weapons, bullets and ammo intact.. cleaned, pressed, healthy, and ready to form up into one single marching column.. every single cop.. in the city... sorry but this one really just takes the cake. It was just too bleeping silly. Ok moving on.. The Federal Government.. really? Seriously, a nuclear-armed terrorist in a large city (New York-ish), and the Feds are just going to say 'Ok, you can have it..' Oh wait no, after about ten weeks, they will send in like 4 Spec Ops guys, to go in and declare they aren't going to do anything but be followed and get shot, then strung up like Gotham was really Baghdad. Ew. No, the Feds couldn't possibly utilize the worlds best and most massive counter-terrorism force in the world. Nope. Or maybe drop a large EMP over the city to disable whatever mechanisms the bad guys might have by which they could detonate a bomb... nah, nothing like that.. Just.. let the terrorists win, and they will leave the rest of us alone. Ohhhh Hollywood, you nut! (As Bill Murray might say) More along similar philosophical/social lines.. the implication that the 'state' had become borderline fascist, talking about fat-cats, leaving so little 'for the rest of us'.. the new prison in Gotham having cleaned up the streets of crime (that's a BAD thing?).. this being made possible by use of the 'Dent Act'.. (since when does a city pass 'Acts', and since when is a city able to pass acts which completely disregard the Constitution? Oh, nutty, silly Hollywood!).. Anyway, oh yeah, Wayne is apparently hellbent on suicide, so Batman decides a one-man frontal assault on Bane's stronghold is the wisest choice, and goes in and promptly gets his old beat-up self's ass kicked, and his back broken. Ouch. And then dumped into a.. a prison pit I guess? Looked kind of like a theme hotel really.. they had plenty of food, water, and HD cable television. And apparently a really good gym, because some of those guys were BUFF. Anyway, the statement keeps being made that 'so-and-so was born in the dark, I never even saw the light until I was a teenager' or something along those lines.. but... must not have been the same pit, since THIS pit has a really nice view of the sky, and the light was just.. right there. In fact there was nothing dark about it, AT ALL. Yeah must have been a different pit. And apparently, anyone could escape from this particular prison pit, all they had to do was make this one jump from one spot to another, and then it's like, ok, you're free, you can go. No bars over the top of the pit or anything like that.. no, not silly at all... But ok, well, Bruce Wayne has a broken back. That's usually bad news for most people, but apparently not for Bruce, because he has the World's Greatest Back Surgeon sharing a cell with him. Situated conveniently next to the World's Wisest Creepy Old Dude, placed there to give him insight and direction, once he has healed and done a lot of situps and pushups. Meanwhile, Bane has randomly blown up tons of different spots in Gotham. Why? Ummm... we'll get back to you on that. Maybe it was to strategically trap the cops underground, but maybe not. It's a secret, ok? Well anyway, Commissioner Gordon very extremely conveniently leaves a detailed letter in his pocket about *the truth* regarding Harvey Dent (the guy with the big chin in The Dark Knight), that Dent went mad with grief over the murder of the girl he loved, and turned into a sort of amoral vigilante and killed some bad guys. And because of that devastating 'truth' the whole entire fabric of reality in Gotham MUST COME CRASHING DOWN!! People of Gotham! You have been LIED TO! Therefore, release a bunch of dangerous criminals back into your midst! Heck, turn into dangerous criminals yourselves! You know you all want to! All those.. (snicker..) RICH PEOPLE.. are the REAL BAD GUYS!! Go and take all their stuff, and kill them! It'll be like the French Revolution all over again! It'll be great! The idea that the 'Citizens of Gotham' would so instantly and easily turn into an anarchic communistic mob, standing gleefully aside at a kangaroo court as their fellow citizens are murdered, merely for the crime of 'having more than someone else' (apparently anyway, they don't make this exactly clear).. no, that's not silly at all. (But wait - didn't Tiny Lister and those folks PROVE that the citizens of Gotham AREN'T lawless dog-eat-dog scum?? That there is true heroism and self-sacrifice in ALL people? Wasn't that the entire POINT of TDK?? NO! SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN!) Ok anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, so the city is now run by a.. I guess they are calling him a Warlord now.. in the largest city in America.. ok. And apparently somehow this 'one person in Gotham' has a button they can push which will set off this giant nuclear bomb, presumably killing everyone in the city. And supposedly this one person is capable of watching all roads, bridges, boats, everything, 24/7, because that person will set off the bomb if so much as one person tries to escape the city.. Apparently Nolan has never tried to babysit my three young nephews for an hour, because THAT is impossible! I can't imagine having to try to babysit an entire CITY 24/7 for an indefinite time. Indefinite time... oh wait, it's all good. The terrorists, Bane included, are really just suicidal. They are all of them perfectly happy to lounge around the city for three months waiting for the nuclear bomb to blow them all up. Because... well.. because... ummm.. because Qui-Gon wanted to do that himself years ago, although I don't think he was going to be suicidal about it, but still, the point is, Gotham has to be blown up, and it has to be blown up in the most pointlessly complicated and drawn-out manner imaginable. Why? Why not just.. you know.. just blow it up? I'm thinking.. well, it's something about hope. Apparently blowing up a whole city is just.. BETTER.. if the people getting blown up kind of thought and hoped that they WOULDN'T get blown up, you know? So anyway, luckily the World's Greatest Back Surgeon is able to punch Wayne in the back and pop his vertebra back into perfect alignment, just like any good chiropractor would do really, and he does his situps and pushups, and listens to World's Wisest Creepy Old Dude telling him he needs to have fear of dying in order to stay alive. Ok, I will buy that I guess, it means he has to care more I suppose, and who really doesn't need to care MORE...? Anyway, Wayne escapes the unlocked prison and walks straight up to Selena, who is feeling slightly guilty about pretty much betraying Batman and most likely getting him horribly killed by a sadistic madman. Wayne admits he was slightly annoyed by this, and as a result, he is going to give her her greatest wish. Imagine, had she given him 'The Hathaway' instead of betraying him to his certain doom, what he might have given her in return! Apparently he really really likes it when a woman robs him, steals his car and takes part in a plot to have him killed. I suppose it must have been refreshing. So ok, to get up to speed: the criminal mastermind Bane, head of the world's most dangerous and powerful evil organization, is completely in charge of Gotham, planning all along to blow it up. His plot hinges ENTIRELY upon the nuclear bomb going off as planned. So, he has taken the extremely well-thought-out precaution of setting up not one, not two, but three large trucks, endlessly roaming the city, only one of which contains the bomb, while the other two are decoys! No silly idea like burying the thing underground, or placing it behind heavy barred doors, or perhaps in a bank vault and guarded 24/7. No, we will just let everyone know that it is in ONE of those trucks, but YOU WILL NEVER FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE! HAH! So confidant is he in his plan, he does not bother to put a guard in the back of the trucks, or even to instruct the driver of the trucks to radio in or take evasive action if, you know, something unexpected happens, such as the truck being attacked by sort-of rebels. Nope, just drive around, don't look behind you. even that military batmobile thing is going to drive in FRONT of you, instead of behind or the side or, you know, changing positions once in a while.. what could POSSIBLY go wrong? Well ok so now we only have a few minutes left before the bomb goes off, and so things pick up a bit. JGL unplugs the sewer exits and the cops emerge from cold storage, none the worse for wear, and we get treated to a battle scene from Braveheart, but without the speeches. It looks bad for the boys in Blue, because the tank car things are about to open fire on the neatly-arranged cops, while Bane stands there outside on the steps watching. But at the very last second the Bat-flying-shoe or whatever it is, pops up out of nowhere and shoots the cannon on the tank thingy, and so the cops are saved. And Batman wisely does not ask himself 'Hey, isn't that Bane standing RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF ME? What would happen if I aimed my powerful flying tank's weapons at HIM and pulled the trigger, eh? Think I might solve several problems all at once if I did that? Save the city? All of that? Nahhh.. Away I goooooo...!' I guess he must think that the 'trigger person' would blow the city up if he killed Bane.. even though the city is going to blow up in like 15 minutes anyway.. but still.. it's QUALITY of life that matters, not QUANTITY.. So then we get another set piece, aerial combat between Batman's flying tank thing and his former ground tank thingies. Meanwhile, Commissioner Gordon has been given a device that can block the signal to the bomb, preventing it from going off if the trigger person tries to activate it. He climbs into one of the unguarded trucks, and yes!! He found it!! But of course he has to struggle with it because along about the same time, here comes Bats walking up to Bane, ready for another ass-kicking, and these things have to be timed perfectly after all. Well Batman had done so many situps and pushups that he was now able to defeat Bane in hand-to-hand combat, and after knocking him down and poking at his mask thingy, Batman painfully discovers what everyone in the audience has known for like the last hour - that his sort-of squeeze Amanda or Miranda or whatever her name is, is really the bad guy, and is really his former mentor's daughter! See, due to all the flashbacks having had a bald-headed kid playing the 'child born in darkness', we were all supposed to assume the kid was a BOY! And that the boy was Bane! I mean Bane DID say he was born down there didn't he? And didn't they say specifically in the movie that only one child had ever been born down in that prison pit? So that would mean that it could only be Bane, right? Well yeah, unless he was fibbing.. But why would he fib? I don't know why, except that apparently Talia had had the plan for her whole life, which consisted of: spend years and years getting fabulously wealthy, and then spend more time becoming a well-known philanthropist, putting on parties and joining corporate boards, all of that.. all so she could wait for Bruce Wayne to develop Fusion technology.. so she could then have Bane kidnap a scientist who could turn that technology into a bomb.. then steal all of Wayne's money.. then have sex with Wayne.. then have Bane take over the entire city of Gotham, then have Bane dump Wayne into that same prison pit, with no hope of ever ever EVER escaping.. then when Wayne escapes (as Bane says, Impossible! - you keep saying that word.. I do not think it means what you think it means..) and comes back to Gotham to rescue the city from the bomb, then wait for Batman to beat Bane in a fight... ..all so she could sneakily stick Batman with a little knife, and sort of twist it, causing him pain, while she explains her elaborate plot, and how her father wanted to blow up Gotham, but Batman murdered him so she wanted to do it herself.. but with the added twist of being the one holding the button to set off the bomb, thus killing herself, Bane, Batman, everyone... (meanwhile, due to extremely good timing, Gordon is JUST ABOUT to get that signal-blocking device in place...!) ..anyway great plan Talia.. she pushes the button, thinking maybe she will get 72 virgins or something.. but Gordon just got the device in place, so the bomb doesn't go off, so now Talia is pissed that she is going to have to wait like another whole FIFTEEN MINUTES to get blown up, seeing as how that was her plan for basically her whole life. Women.. Anyway, so Talia runs out to go make sure the bomb really really blows up this time, and tells the always-obedient Bane not to kill Batman. So, just as Bane is about to kill Batman, Selena suddenly shows up in this bank lobby or whatever it is on this giant silent motorcycle and kablooeys Bane with a cannon. Bye Bane, sorry you didn't get like a death scene or anything... sorry... So ok now we have a chase scene, because Batman has to get the core of the bomb back to the guy from Driving Miss Daisy (you know, the super genius scientist guy.. no not THAT one, the good one), so he can.. umm.. re-stabilize the fusion core, or something like that.. So, we know that there will be another fantastic set piece, and Batman will get it to Fox with like 30 seconds to spare, and then everyone will be saved. But oops, the truck crashes like into an underground tunnel or something, and Gordon climbs out of the back of the truck slightly dizzy. But apparently Talia did not take to the crash so well, and has like a snapped neck or spine or something (and we are thinking ok, take her to the dude in the pit so he can punch her in the neck, and she will be fine..) But noooo, she ALSO had her laptop with her while she was trying to destroy the city, because some people just CANNOT go five minutes without checking their email.. and so after she crashed and snapped her spine, she decided to run some app which flooded the chamber where Fox was waiting to reset the core of the fusion thing. And then she dies, kind of hideously. Shrug. So long lady. Lamest. Bad Guy. EVER. Anyway, now everybody is just sort of standing there, thinking 'Crap, now we really and truly are going to die, we are so screwed, etc etc..' Now maybe it's just me, but if *I* had been standing there, and there was the bomb, and there was Batman with his marvelous flying tank thingy, I would probably have been screaming, 'Hey Batman!! Stop just standing there, and hook this bomb up to your flying tank thing and fly this bomb away, way far away! Right now! Like Now!! Go go go! Don't kiss the girl, what the F is wrong with you??? Get that thing away from the city like ten minutes ago!!!' Anyway, that's what *I* would have been yelling, but what do I know. But Batman does seem to think of it on his own, so it's ok. And remember when Fox was explaining the new flying tank, and he said that it didn't have an autopilot? Well neither do I, but it must have been in there somewhere, because Batman makes a big deal about it again, so we all know that he has no choice but to fly the massive bomb himself away from the city.. and so Iron Man grabs the nuclear bomb, and flies up and away from the city and through the wormhole out to six miles away, and kaboom.. and then he miraculously falls back through space, and the Hulk screams at him and wakes him back up from the dead. Er wait. Well anyway, no autopilot means no hope, Batman must sacrifice himself to save the city, and you kind of get the impression from the grim set of his jaw, and the grim determination with which he sets about the task, that this is sort of grimly satisfying for him, that this is really the way he would want to go out, in a blaze of heroic glory, saving the entire city, thus redeeming both himself and the people. Uh huh. Now, first of all, the next time someone tells you they have a 4 megaton nuclear bomb with a BLAST RADIUS of six miles, please make a point to stand exactly six miles away from it while it explodes, and report back on exactly what happens. I am genuinely curious. Because no one seemed to be too concerned by this, and apparently it didn't really do much but boil some fish and vaporize Bruce Wayne. Oh and poor Alfred. He burned that letter from Maggie, deliberately leading Bruce to mistakenly believe that she had loved HIM more than Two-Face, and so he spent the next five years or so letting himself go straight to hell. Thanks Alfred. But then Alfred decides that telling the truth about this to Bruce would somehow make things.. better? Well anyway, we get a nice scene filled with foreshadowing, where Alfred reveals that he has had a recurring DAYDREAM (Inception), in which he was on a dreamy vacation (Inception) where he happened to coincidentally see (Inception) Bruce and some unknown woman (Inception) being happy and living an idyllic life (Inception) away from all the stresses and strifes of painful everyday real life (INCEPTION!!) So Batman blows himself up, Michael Caine gets to push for one last Best Supporting Actor nom, JGL has some woman call him Robin... Robin, get it?? ROBIN!! You know, like in Batman and Robin!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. And then Alfred goes on his dreamy vacation again, and (Inception) there is this dreamy music playing, and a sort of a montage of images revealing *THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW*.. There is Fox, talking with some technicians, making a point, with a big red marker to say 'Just tell me how I could have fixed the *wink wink* AUTO PILOT, WHICH BATMAN'S FLYING TANK MOST DEFINITELY ABSOLUTELY DID *NOT* HAVE...' and they say, 'Well, yeah, it had it, like six months ago, Mr. Wayne fixed it.' Ohhhh wait... Alfred orders some tea, or some brandy or whatever... Ohhhhh wait, you mean.... JGL uses a GPS to look for a waterfall and a cave... No now hang on.... Alfred sips his brandy, the bodies walking by seem to clear out, and Alfred sees... No come on now.. this is silly.. JGL splashes into the Batcave.. Alfred sees... yeah. Wayne, casually sitting there. WITH the girl who robbed him, stole his car, and basically tried to have him killed. But hey she did kiss him a couple of times. You know, Bruce Wayne, Billionaire Playboy, face recognizable across the world, sitting in a cafe in Paris or wherever.. (Inception?) JGL *RISES* on a platform from the water... Alfred sort of smiles and toasts Wayne, apparently not pissed at all.. JGL RISES.. DARK KNIGHT RISES.. And no it's not Inception, so all of that last bit was really real, and Nolan is saying, 'No, of COURSE I wasn't going to actually kill Batman. You don't kill Batman. Not how it works. Did you REALLY think I was going to kill Batman?? Suckers! But hey, JGL can play Batman now, just like Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney.' Crowd claps, everybody happy. And honestly, I enjoyed it, because Nolan knows how to make a fun movie. But DAMN it was just so freaking... silly. I was seriously expecting Graham Chapman to pop up at any moment and demand the whole thing be shut down, because it had just got too silly. It was pretty good, but I kept finding myself wishing Nolan had thought things through a little more. I think this must have been rushed, I don't know. Anyway, sorry it was so long, sometimes I get on a roll. I don't expect anyone to have read this far anyway.. Just my $0.02.
Geez some of you people remind me why i hate movies at times, nitpicking and crying. Its a comic book movie..... Injected with realism, not every detail is going to be on point. The whole reason was to show you that he can 'rise' again and come back. About the singling one another out in the fight it was apparent and done many times before. Not only looks awesome but its to show you the power one another has aside from them being drawn to each other. The jail place by the way was in india.
Saw it yesterday, and I've read through this thread. I agree with basically both sides. There were obviously some inconsistencies as far as the screenplay goes, but the overall impact of the movie, and the fact that it was the final chapter in the Batman saga made it extremely powerful for me. I absolutely loved it.
Dang Nero. Way to take the fun out of it Every point you made was valid. I guess that I chose to overlook it since it is a comic book movie after-all.
Nero- you should probably stick to documentaries if you want realism, because I don't think a fictional film could ever be satisfactory to you (much less a comic book film).
Don't just say, 'Well, it's a comic-book movie.' No matter what, I'm not 12 years old anymore. When there are weaknesses like these, I can't help but notice them and it can't help but sap the enjoyment of the movie. If lazy writing and giant plotholes are acceptable in comic-book movies, maybe I really am just too mature to watch them and I should save my money.
