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what does everybody have against francis???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by astrosrule, Jan 11, 2003.

  1. astrosrule

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    he is without a doubt the best offensive player on the team, so isn't it just simple logic that the best offensive player on the team should take the most shots? why does everyone say that he should pass more and shoot less when he is the best scoring option on the team. Yao is a rookie and isn't consistent with his shot attempts or points, so it is to soon to go through him as if he was hakeem olajuwon. Wouldn't you rather have him than someone who get 10 assists like andre millar, who's team is worse with him than last year without him. Stop the Stevie bashing!!!!
     
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    Steve is the leader or floor general, not a soldier.
    His main responsibility is to organize the play.
     
  3. robbie380

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    you are right astros rule....see these people on the bbs have the mistaken view that a team needs a "true" point guard to be good. that is just not correct. steve can create shots....yao cannot.
     
  4. Old Man Rock

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    On a team that stunk it up last night... Stevie was the stinkiest stinker... Perhaps it was just an off night but the thing is his off nights or becoming all to frequent.
     
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    If he could make those crucial free throws down the end, we might have a chance even though we stunk all night.

     
  6. tie22fighter

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    Talking about the worst timing for a thread.

    Right after Steve stinking it up all over the court last night? Rather than going 1 against 3, how about forcing it to Eddie or Rice?

    I am not against Steve. It is clear he is trying to be the floor general. It is just that he is not quite there yet. But it does seems to me you want the old Steve of the past 2 years.
     
  7. RIET

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    I don't understand what you mean exactly. Steve and Cuttino take the majority of the shots on this team. That is a fact. When they make their shots, we win. When they don't we lose.

    They shoot 41-43% from the field and their defense is average to below average. We are 24th in the league in scoring and our assists are one of the lowest in the league.

    We are good. We are good enough to lose in the first round of the playoffs.

    If you want to become a championship team, it's not going to happen with these players.
     
  8. thumbs

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    Steve had a bad night. So what. Those bad nights are few and far between. He is quite capable of being the floor leader and a scorer at the same time, especially with Yao and Griffin keeping the defenses honest.

    Steve looked like the headaches had returned. I hope I am just seeing things, but the way he was looking, grimacing and shaking his head reminded me of last year.

    Constructive criticism is meant well, but sometimes some of us board members go too far. We need to watch the donut and not the hole.
     
  9. daniel-bfl

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    What if we miss the playoff and at the same time, SF and YM start the all-star game?

    Have this scenario ever happened? I mean a non-playoff team w/ two all-star game starter.

    If not, then we will create history.
     
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    Being the lottery team with the best winning record was enough history making for me. Let's hope the Rockets earn a playoff berth and birth a championship.
     
  11. basketball

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    I don't think anybody would mind if Steve is taking good shot. Afterall, he is a great offensive players. Two points is two points regardless it came from Steve and from Yao or anyone else on the court. Afterall, the team with the most baskets win the game. I think people have problem when a players (regardless of who it is) took a bad shot or commit turnovers and hurt the team. Is steve doing this? Sometime he does and other times no. If you shoot and 3 guys defending against you then one of the other two teammates who are unguarded should have an easier shot.
    The fact that Steve command attentions when he had the ball is a tribute to him. He should use this to his advantage and create opportunities for his teammate to score. If he had an open shot, by all mean take them. It's all about the team getting good shot not a particular players. I think the fan single him out more because he is the one with the ball (being a point guard) a majority of the time. No ball movement can be contagious as also taking bad shot. Yesterday Posey was taking some wild shots himself. He only took four total shot so it didn't hurt the team that much. I guess the point is you have to pass the ball around to get a good shot and it usually start with your point guard. If your guard start to pass a lot then the other guy will follow the trend. If one guy start to shoot first and pass second then all the other guy will start to do the same. If they don't pass the ball to you then you better shoot whenver you got your hand on the ball. Because if you pass you might never see the ball back. Just human nature. By saying that I think Steve does make a conscious effort to pass the ball. It just when the guy miss the shot then Steve feel like he has to take upon himself to deliver. This happen more during crunch time as the offense become stagnant during critical stretch. When you win people blow up the positive thing that you do and forgot the negative. When you lose the negative thing got blow up. Again just human nature. And lastly I think most people do not have anything against Steve. Everybody hope that he do well because when he do well the Rockets usually win. So it's just more of a frustration as the team is still very inconsistent.
     
  12. leebigez

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    When he was turning the ball over as a rookie, it was ok. when he was doing it his 2nd yr, he's still young. Last yr he had the headaches and various injuries and lack of personel, what the problem this yr? I don't care how many points he scores or his shooting %, but to make costly ,rookie type to's is the problem. Trying to creat is one thing, but being dumb is another.
     
  13. Texas Stoke

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    Steve is not doing the right things if your a coach who really wants to stress the importance of motion. Steve loves to dribble the **** out of the ball but if your the coach and you want your players to move and not stand around you got to tear in to his ass and tell him to make swift passes early in the possession so he allows his teamates to make multiple passses and allows them to have an oppurtunity to create an assist as well. To me its obvious he feels he needs to hold on to the ball to be more effective. there is too many possessions where his actions seem to be saying he is gonna be the lone creator of that possession no matter what. Whether its an assist or a shot, he will be responisble for creating it. That means only two players are involved in that possession from the start. This is the source of our offensive problems.
     
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    Speaking of dribbling the **** out of the ball, Steve Nash does the same thing and is considered a fine point guard. It's not dribbling, it's just that Steve makes too many bad passes. I think if he could cut down on turnovers, things would be ok with Steve, though there are plenty here who think everything about his game is wrong or terrible.
     
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    Steve still has a lot of "street" in him. I've got tons of Rucker Park videos with Steve on them and he gets mad props up there because of his playing style. But this isn't the Ruck, and once Steve realizes that he'll be one of the greats. Now I'm not putting Steve down, cause he's my b-ball idol. But he is a little immature when it comes to the game.:cool:
     
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    I write that long rant and all had to do was read this. The line "
    If you want to become a championship team, it's not going to happen with these players" is PERFECT!
     
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    Steve is the present and the future of this team. It seems that most of the people that hate on him, are the so call fans that will just as fast stop being fans if one player was to leave to another team.
     
  20. DavidS

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    There are a few things going against Steve...

    He likes to score more than pass for an assist.
    He didn't practice passing as a youngster in
    H.S. and college. Only shooting and dunking.
    He didn't practice freethrows in H.S. and college
    (ask Calvin Murphy).
    He really doesn't know how to pass very well.
    He only knows how to pass to the three point
    shooter after he's tried to score. But not off
    the pick and roll.

    Rudy knows all this about Francis.
    Rudy wont make Steve do what he doesn't know
    how to do.
    Rudy knows that if he implemented a five-man
    offense, players like Francis, Mobley, and
    Moochie would never follow the game plan.
    All three of them look for their own shots first.
    Rudy's favorite play: One pass then shoot.

    Hell! At least that's better than ISO, no pass,
    then shoot.
     
    #20 DavidS, Jan 12, 2003
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