So who will be the Democratic nominee?

What do you care? Sounds like you already have your mind made up.

 

More precisely, it sounds like Rush Limbaugh has made up t4651965's mind.

 

for those confused about Bush's "election":

In the summer of 1999, Katherine Harris, George W. Bush’s campaign co chairwoman and Florida Secretary of State gave $4 million to Database Technologies to go through Florida’s voter rolls and bar anyone suspected of being a former felon. She did so with the backing of the governor of Florida, George Bush’s brother, Jeb Bush. Ex-felons cannot vote in Florida. 31 percent of all black men in Florida were removed from voter rolls because of this. And on election day, to no one’s surprise, Gore carried 90 percent of the black vote in Florida. This all seems perfectly legal, but most of us never found out that this removed thousands of black Floridians that had never committed a crime before. Database Technologies is actually a firm with strong Republican ties, and Harris’s office instructed Database to removed as many voters as possible in this process. By eliminating people with similar names to felons, same birthdays, or even partial matching social security numbers were sufficient enough data for Database to remove those voters from the rolls. In Miami-Dade county, Florida’s largest county, 66 percent of those removed were black. And in Tampa county, 50 percent of those removed were black. The total removed approached 173,000 before election day. In addition to these false felons, another 8,000 legitimate voters were removed from the rolls because of a falsified list of felons sent in from a state which had claimed that those listed were felons which had since moved to Florida. Texas was the state, a Republican stronghold, and veritable brother to Florida.What about those butterfly ballots? Well, they’re part of the picture too. Most of us have probably never used a butterfly ballot. They’re not very popular among the voting populous and are used very seldom. Palm Beach County used these butterfly ballots in the 2000 election though. They’re actually fairly confusing, in that how most people read a ballot from top to bottom, whereas Pat Buchanan’s name was closed to Bush than was Gore’s. It’s estimated that about 3,000 of the 3,400 votes Buchanan received in the Democratic Palm Beach County were accidental votes. Also, about 20,000 Palm Beach County voters double punched their ballots for both Gore and Buchanan, thus rendering their vote invalid. Absentee ballots dominated the talk show hype during the finals days of the 2000 election debacle. That’s because only hours after that fateful Tuesday night in November, Republican offices were sending out emails and calling bases and ships abroad to find any ballots they had not sent in yet. Most of these ballots sent in were invalid for a number of reasons. They were either not signed by election day, or they were not postmarked before election day, or neither. Katherine Harris, knowing the Bush lead was shrinking, sent out a memo saying that ballots “are not required to be postmarked on or prior to election day.” These absentee ballots also went through another Republican filtration system when in heavy Democratic counties absentee’s ballots from that county were admitted at a ratio out 2 out of 10. While in Republican counties, absentee ballots from those counties were admitted at a 6 out of 10 ratio. You’d think that with all of these shenanigans going on in Florida, the media would wait until the chaos had subsided before throwing the election to one candidate or another. The Republicans had another weapon lying in wait though. A man by the name of John Ellis. John Ellis was the man in charge of Fox News’ coverage of the 2000 election. John Ellis is also a first cousin of George and Jeb Bush. Fox News was the first of the major media networks to declare a winner in the 2000 election, and not surprisingly, they declared Bush the winner, even with the Associated Press urging them that the race was still too close to call. It didn’t matter though. All the other networks were playing catch up, and they followed Fox’s lead. There was perhaps nothing more detrimental to Gore’s election bid than being labeled a spoiler or a sore loser. Who was ultimately responsible for making Bush president? Despite all these things, Bush’s actual presidency can all be pinned squarely on five individuals. William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, and Sandra Day O’Connor. The fact that a panel of nine people could make such a cataclysmic decision is beyond me. Letting the vote of five judges overturn 50 million votes of American citizens; who thinks this stuff up? The Supreme Court called a halt to the recounting of votes in the highly contested Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties effectively handing the Presidency to their candidate, George W. Bush. Florida law calls for a hand recount in any election that is justifiably challenged. The Supreme Court stepped in, and put their own agenda ahead of the will and well-being of the American people. The Supreme Court granted Bush his stay of the recount when they determined that the further counting of votes would “threaten irreparable harm to Bush by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election.” This is a very weak argument using the “Equal Protection Clause” of the 14th Amendment. The only instance where a stay can be granted in such case is if the absence of a stay will likely cause “irreparable harm” to the petitioner. I suppose they’re right. Counting all the voteswould probably prove that Gore won, and doing so might cause a lot of harm to Bush’s chance of being President, or at least being a legitimate one. That statement above was actually issued by Antonin Scalia, but the other four conservative judges supported the stay order as well. It would seem as if the only “irreparable harm” to be had around Florida was that which Al Gore received by the Supreme Court stopping the recount and giving Bush the election. Amazingly, when Scalia wrote this he had yet to see either one of the Gore of Bush camps written briefs on the matter yet. Also, the decision issued by the court was issued in a per curiam opinion. Per curiam (Latin for “by the court”) opinions are almost always issued in unanimous votes on unimportant issues, however, this case was a 5-4 vote and arguably the most contested issue to ever face the Supreme Court. Per curiam opinions issued by the court are also never signed, and this one just happened to be authored anonymously. How fitting that the most important piece of legislation to ever be handed down by the Supreme Court come as an unsigned and undocumented opinion with absolutely no substantial legal stature. It feels almost like a waste to write all of this out, because I know that no amount of writing or grandstanding will ever turn back the hands of time and undo these past injustices. George W. Bush is the President, and now the only way to get him out of office is to surmount his seemingly untouchable ratings. What troubles me even more so than the actual election is our reaction to it. Even liberals have been fairly quiet on the matter, especially as of late. The American media was asleep at the wheel during this entire fiasco, and because of that, the majority of Americans have been kept in the dark. I hate to think what the new textbooks being published are saying about the 2000 election. Will our children grow up thinking that Al Gore was just a sore loser? And that all old people in Florida can’t follow basic instructions? I hope not, but sadly I know that’s how this entire mess will go down in history. Some might accuse me of bias in writing this, I shake my head at them, because I’d most assuredly be writing this had Bush been the victim of a Democratic scheme to illegally oust the Republicans by disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people.

 

Speaking of which, Gore never said he invented the internet either =]

 

Good summary e. Regardless of political party, you have to admit that of those going to the polls, more people intended to vote for Gore. I understand Gore's withdrawal, but I wish he was still in it.

To the question at hand:

Lieberman--No
Edwards--No
Daschle--No
Gephardt--No

Right now, my vote would probably go to Dean simply because the five minutes I spent on Dean research turned up some favorable stuff. We'll have to see how he handles a campaign and if he's quick on his feet.

My guess is the GOP press/radio operation will try to tear down Clark first. Not because they fear him as a Presidential opponent, but to try to take him out of the running for VP. After that, we'll see who they think has the best chance against Bush in the general election. I really don't see anyone in the current crop being able to withstand the stuff Clinton went through his first time out.

 

You must have a faulty imagination, Achebe.

 

Here is an article which puts the original number of Florida voters identified as felons at 11,000+. Prior to the election over 7000 misidentified voters were removed from the list. The headline of the article from the Palm Beach paper reads "Hundreds..."

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/floridafollies/FL_articles/voter_rolls.htm

ewfd - where did you get your article?

Even 'thedubyareport' posts the Palm Beach numbers as opposed to the 173,000 that the article from ewfd purports.

 

I don't know anything about Wesley Clark. It would be pretty funny for chickenhawks, Bush and Cheney to try to accuse the formal general of being soft on defense.

Also humorous would be to see them scramble to discover and try to run on any non/terrorism, non-war accomplishments.

Maybe Gen. Clark could provide the useful service Eisenhower tried to perform when he talked out against the terrible idea of the military industrial complex devoted t omaximizing profits through ever increasing military budgets.

 

Here is Gore's exact quote, so people can judge for themselves-

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet".

 

G. Russell Evans
Captain, U.S. Coast Guard (Ret.)
Tuesday, March 5, 2002

This lady has tasted power. She loves it. She wants more power. Absolute power.
She wants to be president. She wants to run the show – really run things, from the Oval Office, and "get this country moving again," as challengers always say.

It's written all over her – and she has the wherewithal for a strong run. She has ego unsurpassed and guile supreme.

She has the James Carville-Paul Begala team, the sine qua nons for fooling voters: clever, cunning and conniving to all who will listen and chafing at the bit to get rolling.

Hillary Rodham Clinton

We are talking about Hillary Rodham Clinton, of course, now marking time as junior senator from New York, after proving her electability and suave controls, including a scandalous love fest with Big Media.

It was Big Media that gave her a free pass from embarrassing questions and probing interviews during her Senate campaign and who soft-pedaled all Hillary boo-boos in sight.

It is now the Big Media anchors Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather who keep her out of the news for any stupid or embarrassing moves she makes as a senator. They will continue to shield her on her way to the White House.

Media Love Her

They want her in the Oval Office, where she will make big news and implement her socialist, big government agenda.

Already she has a political action committee, HILLPAC, that has raised almost a million dollars and has passed out big checks to left-wing candidates to build up political clout.

Did Peter, Tom or Dan complain about Hillary's "buying" power? No way! They were busy pushing campaign finance reform and would never embarrass their favorite candidate. Nor question her integrity!

Just last July, Hillary told NBC's "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert, "I have no intention of running for president. ... I just want to be the best senator possible for New York."

‘Never Run'

Some years earlier, she told gossip columnist Liz Smith she would "never run for elective office." And just before husband Bill was impeached for lying, she told the world she didn't know about Bill's sex with the young White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

The rest of the world knew. A selective memory with a deceptive mind!

But politics is politics – and it's no surprise that the practitioners say whatever is expedient and then weasel out at will.

Many signs point to a "Hillary for President" run in 2004, or at least in 2008. The feminists and radicals are ecstatic about getting into the act. Of course, Hillary needs no introduction. Voters know her almost as well as they know Bill. Even so, reminders are in order.

Voters Remember

They remember how she took over the West Wing of the White House and set up her offices in space usually reserved for the vice president, upsetting the transition and blatantly bullying Bill for this choice spot, perhaps a quid pro quo for "standing by her man" in the Gennifer Flowers "sexcapade" during the 1992 campaign.

They remember how she took charge in the unlawful secret sessions of her failed attempt to regulate the federal health care system in 1993 – a scheme that could have devastated health care. Hillary will not forget this humiIiation.

Dumped in the Rain

Voters remember how she orchestrated dumping loyal White House Travel Office employees in the street in the rain in order to install her cronies.

She denied it, but disgruntled aide David Watkins warned in a memo that unless Hillary got her way, there would be "hell to pay" – a phrase that became the title of a best-selling book by the late Barbara Olson.

Voters remember her stonewalling and two-year delay in providing subpoenaed Rose Law Firm files, her role in illegally transferring some 900 raw FBI files into a database for Democratic National Committee computers for future blackmail purposes, and her obvious role in the frenzy of pardons-for-a-price by Bill during their final days in office.

$2 Million Not Reported

They remember that Hillary failed to report a $2 million Senate campaign donation to the Federal Election Commission – a contribution by Peter Paul, who was promised receptions and other honors by Bill, never delivered.

Paul now faces charges of stock fraud while the Bush administration refuses to charge Hillary for her alleged crime. President Bush said, "I have no stake in bitter arguments of the past."

But most of all, voters remember Hillary's true character – exemplified by her wholesale pilfering of furniture, china and silver from the White House, shipping them to Arkansas and having to send them back when she got caught.

Cheapest Shot of All

Perhaps the cheapest shot of all was the stripping of blankets, china and silverware from Air Force One, which was loaned to the Clintons after the Bush inauguration for their flight to New York.

None of this was returned and, of course, the new president took no action. Taxpayers paid for the theft and damages to government property – a federal offense for the rest of us.

Voters are not likely to forget Hillary's brother Hugh the Slob, sloughing around the White House during the "final hours" stuffing himself with freebies and tying up the phones frantically fixing pardons-for-a-fee for Rodham-Clinton cronies, crooks and contributors.

Books chronicle the Clintons in power, king and queen, partners who loved power and believed they were entitled to anything they wanted.

Voters, however, saw sleaze, adultery, lies and more lies, cheating, stonewalling, obstruction of justice, greed and whatever would advance their profit and pleasure.

Hillary's 'Wish List'

An up-to-date prime example of Hillary's true character and modus operandi may be her scheme last year, just before being sworn in as a senator, to actively solicit gifts of silver arid china via the Internet.

Hillary registered her "wish list" on the Web site of Borsheim's, a classy cutlery and china dealer in Omaha, Neb., with her e-mail address and password. The harvest netted 17 gifts worth $75,000, many from Hollywood bigwigs.

She also signed an $8 million book deal for a book she won't have to write until 2003.

She accepted the gifts and signed the book deal in time to prevent being subject to Senate ethics rules prohibiting them. New York got a clever senator.

Hillary's assets for a presidential run are substantial: big campaign contributions, round-the-clock media backing, propaganda by Hollywood, FBI files to smear critics, a prestigious Senate seat as launching pad, and her very own inbred ruthless, rigorous and relentless ambition.

In due time, we'll see posters such as "Hillary for President – and Away We Go!” and, of course, cute ones like "Hillary to the Fore in 2004."

She'll get votes with promises of peace, prosperity and fat pocketbooks. Bill did.

The question is: Did America learn its lesson? Just think – Bill could be her vice president.

 

Considering that independent media sources (check the Liberal Miami Dade Herald) did recount the votes, and Bush did win, and you aren't aware of this FACT, then you have no credibility on this issue.

I see too, that you totally miss the significance of Fox News calling Bush the winner first. This move cost Bush votes, because the primarily Republican Florida panhandle counties were told that Bush was the winner an hour before their polls closed.

In regard to the U.S. Supreme Court Decisions, remember that there were 6 of them. The most important decision was a 7 to 2 vote that continued hand counts were unconstitutional.

Also, please use paragraphs in a long post so your opinion is not so hard to read!

 

LMAO@ you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I did was post the quote and ask people to judge for themselves!!!!!!!!!

You look very silly right now.

 

Yes, the polls in the panhandle of Florida are in a different time zone, so they were open an hour longer. The Florida panhandle is overwhelmingly Republican.

Thousands of Republicans complained that they didn't vote because the race was called before the polls closed.

Of course, these people in the panhandle who decided not to vote are about as stupid as the people that couldn't figure out a butterfly ballot, so perhaps this is a wash.

The main point to be made here though, is that Bush's cause was harmed, not helped, when Fox News called the election early.

Of course, kudos to Fox News for being the first network to call the race correctly.

 

Heb - Where do i sign up for the position, i would be perfect!!!