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Union in action good and bad.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by FranchiseBlade, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. thadeus

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    As do you.
     
  2. wakkoman

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    Not really. I'm not the one who advocates killing people because they have money.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    It is my metric for a business. Public schools aren't a business.

    of course it does.

    not according to you. You claim public school attendees are 'most certainly getting what they want'.
     
  4. thadeus

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    Neither am I.

    We both have serious issues with money. The difference is that I know it.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I really liked Waiting for Superman and it brings up a lot of good points. But it hardly explains the education problem in America. It takes a limited look at one aspect of the education problem in America.
     
  6. LScolaDominates

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    Yeah, no ****. So why did you bring it up when I asked you to define performance in the context of public schools?
     
  7. Damion Laverne

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    Public schools = government monopoly
    (I was lucky to go to some GREAT public schools in Katy for a long time)

    Parents need vouchers to give them more freedom in choosing a good school for their children, whether public, private, or charter.

    Unions are part of the blame as well.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    you didn't
     
  9. LScolaDominates

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    Um...yeah I did:

     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Vouchers are great for rich people unless the vouchers are huge and massive. If that money is being taken out of the public school, what happens to the kids who can't afford even with a voucher to go to a good private school. Because public schools already have funding problems.

    Unions in the case I'm familiar with were part of the solution. They eliminated waste in the district (the second largest in the nation). That helps the tax payer. Union members voted for furlough days which means teachers get paid less, in order to keep almost 5000 teachers employed, which again puts less burden on the tax payers.

    There are certainly problems with teachers' unions, but they are far from any of the top 20 problems with schools.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    A teacher has 30 - 100 students at a time, Kardashian has programming and media that is consumed by millions of people. On a per customer basis she is probably getting paid less than the teacher.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    delete
     
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  13. Invisible Fan

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    You're pretty much justifying any tard on TV making more on a "per customer basis". "I'm worth more than X% of teachers by virtue of the eyes reading my product at this very moment." :rolleyes:

    That value judgement is off and explores into a different economical tangent on whether ubiquitous yet meritless branding coupled with mediocrity should be rewarded.
     
  14. DFWRocket

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    no, thats not what I'm saying at all. Actually, I even said "regardless of income" in my statement. They Key is Parental Involvement, and being able to hold kids, parents and teachers accountable - something that public schools cannot do.

    Charter schools are often run like private schools and they are often very successful..even though much of their students are at risk and often poor.

    I was dirt poor growing up, but I did just fine..the reason was my mom made sure she was involved in my education despite the fact that she only had a 10th grade education herself, often worked OT and was currently going to nightschool.

    However, even in the easiest coach-taught high school history class, there were kids that had nicer clothes and expensive shoes, but could not pass a test even though the coach literally gave us all the answers the day before the test. It was a joke..yet these kids went to the same elementary and middle schools that I did. The difference? Obviously not the teachers or schools, the difference was my mom MADE ME do homework, she talked to my teachers, went to open house, took the teachers side in any conflict - the parents of kids that fail don't often do these things.
     
  15. DFWRocket

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    Thanks for the explanations FB - repped. Have you seen the programs that some school in El Paso are putting in place? Heavy emphasis on 2nd language learning for ALL students (not just immigrants) in elementary school and seems to be having excellent results..although its a bit early to tell if it will have positive results on graduation rates..but it looks like it well help a lot. Basically, they teach the first couple of years in mostly spanish to both spanish and english speaking children. The spanish speaking children help the english speaking children learn..then as the years progress, english gradually takes over and the english children begin helping the spanish speaking children. Neat concept.

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/2009-09-01/feature3.php
     
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  16. FranchiseBlade

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    I've heard about it. They had a few trial schools in LA doing something similar but when the budget cuts hit hard a few years ago, I think it stopped.

    It sounds like such a great idea. I feel envious of kids who get to do that kind of learning and learn a second language early on like that. It's great for everyone involved especially because they'll all get to practice both languages.
     

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