Will the Rockets acquire both Dwight & Deron this offseason?

Its about dam time something goes our way and we become one of the top 4 teams in the West again and take over the SW division!

 

I suspect if Dwight is traded that it is more likely that some combination of Big Baby, JRich, Duhon, QRich go with him instead of Hedo. Hedo basically has a year and a half left on his contract (partial guarantee for 2013/14 at $6 million). If Orlando goes the rebuilding route then Hedo's contract is going to pick up steam as a possible trade commodity down towards the trade deadline in 2013. And if they can't trade him, he'll be off the books for a few million after the 2013 season while guys like Big Baby, JRich, and Duhon will still be hanging around.

For example, Big Baby and Duhon is something like $25 million in total salary commitment while Hedo is around $17.5 million.

 

They still get a high draft pick. They could draft Beal, Drummond or MKG. You think 14th picks are going to be enough to rebuild the team?

 

In the Bobcat's predicament no. They need another 4 years of drafting the likes of Beal and MKG.

 

You continuous rants that Howard and Williams will be on the Rockets' roster for the 2012-13 season is singularly one of the most self-delusional views of the future that I've witnessed in my years on CFans.

And delusion usually reached epidemic proportions each summer.

Seriously...Howard has already stated his preferences. And HOU isn't one of them. You're whole argument is based upon Lowry and Scola and a bunch scraps being the best offer ORL is going to get. And then Williams is going to forego more money with the Nets to join Howard.

The cardboard cut-outs Hillboy mentioned is as close to this as HOU is going to get to a signing of both Howard and Williams.

Do both your body and your mind a huge favor. Walk slowly to the medicine cabinet and take a dose or two (in your case three) of some reality pills.

 

"Stat guru" ranks Deron as #9 on the most overpaid list:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=221211

Which begs the question - if the Dwight/Deron dream scenario started to fall into place, would we nonetheless be be better off with Deron at $17.2 million per year, or Dragic at $10 million per year? Plus, if we go the Dragic route, we can take back some contracts with the Dwight trade that we would otherwise could not, given the need to clear salary cap room to sign Deron to a max deal. This means we would have to send less in assets to Orlando to do the deal, and/or the deal has a better chance of taking place in the first place. In fact, we would not have to get under the salary cap, and could potentially retain Camby, perhaps a first round pick, and the MLE.

 

They won't acquire either of them IMO.

 

Might as well hold off the Howard train until Orlando has a GM in place. He is not going anywhere until that happens.

 

I have not stated they WILL be on the roster in 2012-13. However, I am holding out hope that it will happen. Your delusional rant is delusional on your part for not considering my arguments. You tell me, what other team is going to step up and offer a better rebuild for Orlando than we will??? Are the Lakers gonna step up and offer both bigs for Dwight?? Are the Clippers gonna step up and offer both their bigs for Dwight?? The Nets have nothing. Is Boston gonna offer Pierce/Rondo for Dwight??

I've named all the above as possibilities that could happen. And those deals may trump Houston's offer. I don't think that's being delusional. What is delusional is writing off the chance that we could acquire those guys and not analyzing the situation properly. So, you tell me what teams have the best opportunity to acquire Dwight this summer.

I'm saying:

1. Orlando
2. Houston
3. Boston
4. Clippers (if they pop both bigs)
5. Lakers (if they pop both bigs)

Where do you think he's going?

Instead of just tossing around adjectives, you do some analysis and tell us where you see Dwight winding up at. I'll gladly consider whether I'm delusional or not if you can put something out here that makes more sense than what I just described. And I've already stated if we don't acquire Dwight before July 1, 2012, then I think the chances of us acquiring him go down a whole lot. I think once free agency begins and Deron settles somewhere else, and likely that will be decided on July 1 even though he can't sign a contract that soon, then the chances of acquiring Dwight go down drastically. So, you tell us, what are the most realistic scenarios for where Dwight will wind up at?

 

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/...ow/-/1636890/15165426/-/14cdi2dz/-/index.html



Magic to announce GM tomorrow?

Sources: Rob Hennigan leading candidate as next Magic GM

Author: David Pingalore, Sports, dpingalore@clickorlando.com

Published On: Jun 19 2012 08:30:51 PM EDT Updated On: Jun 19 2012


ORLANDO, Fla. - Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore has learned that a leading candidate has emerged in the Orlando Magic's search for a new general manager, and that an announcement could be made as soon as Wednesday.

According to sources, Rob Hennigan, 30, is the leading candidate for the Magic's GM position.

Hennigan is currently the assistant general manager and is in charge of player personnel for the Oklahoma City Thunder.

 

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

The Orlando Magic are in advanced talks with Oklahoma City assistant GM Rob Hennigan to make him franchise's new GM, league sources tell Y!

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--magic-to-hire-okc-s-rob-hennigan-as-new-gm.html


..Magic to hire OKC's Rob Hennigan as new GM
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Email.....The Orlando Magic are nearing an agreement to hire Oklahoma City Thunder executive Rob Hennigan as the franchise’s general manager, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

After narrowing the list to three finalists, the Magic extended an offer to Hennigan on Wednesday and were expected to have an agreement reached quickly, sources said.

Former New Orleans Hornets GM Jeff Bower and San Antonio assistant GM Dennis Lindsey were the other two finalists for the job.

Hennigan, 30, will become the youngest GM in the NBA.

Hennigan flew to Grand Rapids, Mich., for a second time in a week in recent days to meet with members of the DeVos family, who own the Magic. Hennigan made a rapid rise through the San Antonio Spurs and Thunder organizations. He is currently the Thunder's assistant GM for player personnel. Orlando president Alex Martins wants to mimic the Thunder organization’s excellent track record of drafting, player development and creating a winning culture.

Hennigan will immediately be confronted with making a decision on All-Star center Dwight Howard’s future. Howard is signed through the 2012-13 season, but another fallout with management has left him wanting a trade soon. Howard will push for a trade to the Brooklyn Nets before the June 28 NBA draft to clear the way for Nets free agent Deron Williams to re-sign with the Nets and partner in the new Brooklyn arena next season.

 

With Hennigan coming from the Thunder/Spurs one would think that should he knows that you need top-level talent to win in this league and going with the 'Nuggets model' thus it would be a mistake.

When news came out that there apparently was a deal in place for Dwight at the deadline I said that if/whenever Otis gets canned the Rockets chances of acquiring Dwight in all likelihood will go down.
Obviously I'm completely speculating here, but the Magic hiring Hennigan might be one of the worst case scenarios for the Rockets.
I think the odds of the Rockets being able to trade for Dwight are way lower now that the Magic have hired Hennigan than they would have been had they hired Jeff Bower, who has a questionable GM record at best.

Who knows maybe Maury can somehow school this rookie, but I sure have my doubts. The only thing that IMO is working in the Rockets favor is that there might not be much of a betting war for Dwight.

 

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

With agreement reached, Hennigan will focus on Dwight Howard and draft, sources say. Orlando coaching search won't start until after draft.

 

I think it's a lot simpler than that. Can Hennigan sell himself and his talent/ability to Dwight in such a way that causes Dwight to have enough confidence to sign an extension?

Because....

If they can't get Dwight to sign an extension, they are going to trade him. They're not going to wait until the deadline like last season and try to play hardball.

It's just real simple, if they can't get Dwight to sign the extension, they are going to move him. So Hennigan has to sell his plan to Dwight enough to get Dwight to buy in for a couple more years.

 

22%....almost 1/4 of the people on Clutchfans are delusional. Not sure whether I'm surprised.

 

Oh, I have little doubt that Dwight will be moved.

I just think that with Hennigan as the GM it's now even more unlikely than before that Howard will be traded to the Rockets.

I don't think it will happen, but I voted yes anyway as I don't think it's quite as crazy unlikely scenario that could never happen like some people make/made it out to be. Call it it optimism if you will.

 

I would imagine that hiring Hennigan means the Magic want to follow the "Thunders Model" of rebuilding, which means they will want to clear cap space, get young talent and draft picks. Houston will probably be the team most willing to take back contracts, but there are teams with better draft picks than us. With all things considered( lottery teams willing to rent Howard and take back bad contracts), I still think we have a very good chance!

 

You are right. He has to be a rebuilder coming from OKC and tutoring under Presti. That's why I think Orlando is going to make this real simple for Dwight. Hennigan is going to meet with him, lay out his plan, then ask Dwight to commit. If Dwight doesn't commit, he's going to move him along with taking out as much trash contracts and getting back as much young talent and picks as possible. They'll go to the lottery next season, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and get Noels or Mohammed and build from there.

In my opinion, this hire flies in the face with what Devos has said earlier about trying to remain competitive. I can't see them hiring Hennigan with that in mind.

But......today's trade between New Orleans and Washington has me thinking the Hornets can put together an attractive package of assets that will:

1. leave them with enough cap space to sign DWill if he wants to sign there

2. retain bird rights to Gordon.

N.O. can put together Lewis contract with Aminu, Jack(expiring), Jason Smith (good value big), xavier henry (former first rounder and expiring), and Grievis Vasquez (good value pg and expiring) along with #10, #46, and next year's first rounder (probably in the 20's) for Dwight and either Hedo (not likely) or some combination of [JRich and Duhon or QRich] or [Big Baby and Duhon or QRich]. This would leave them with enough cap space to sign DWill outright to a max deal and give them a core of DWill/Gordon/whatever/Dwight/Davis.

That's a pretty attractive package for a rebuild to Orlando and I'm afraid it might be better than our offer of:

Dally, Lowry, #14, #16, the future Dallas pick, Martin's expiring, plus Patterson and Morris for the same guys going out, Dwight along with [JRich and Duhon or QRich] or [Big Baby and Duhon or QRich].

Don't know how each of those packages would be valued. But N.O. can hand Orlando a lot more cap relief than we can, along with a better draft pick this year (#10).

 

I actually think our offer in your scenario is better than what NOH can offer. I'm not really high on Aminu or Jack. Jason Smith is ok, and Xavier Henry hasn't really proven anything. Vasquez is ok, but let's compare the 2.

- Dally & Martin's Expiring (18mil expiring at the end of the 2012-2013 season or 1.5mil buyout with 11mil expiring at the end of the 2012-2013 season) compared to 22mil expiring of Lewis (could be bought out for 13mil I hear).
First of all, Martin and Dally will give better production for the year if both are kept. There is only 4mil difference in the expiring contracts plus Martin would be easier to move come deadline than Lewis is (IMO).

- #10+#46 vs #14+#16+future Dallas pick. Depends on the draft really but in this draft class I would prefer the #14+#16 selection as there could be 2 good rotational pieces or you could flip one for assets/picks later or in a later draft.

- Xavier Henry vs Marcus Morris. I prefer Marcus but both haven't really shown anything on the NBA stage yet so let's call this one a wash...

- Aminu vs Patterson. Again both haven't really shown heaps of promise but Patterson wins in this head to head.

- Lowry vs Jack/Jason Smith/Vasquez. Lowry is the better player with a better contract than all of these combined. If ORL wanted more expiring contracts and a servicable big in Smith then sure, but with the production Lowry can give I can't see that happening. Lowry could easily get them back better assets than these 3 if traded later down the track.

I honestly still think that the HOU offer is better than the NOH offer that you proposed. I also don't see Dwight working well along side Davis. Admittedly I haven't seen much of Davis, but isnt he an athletic Shot blocker with a lack of offensive ability? Why would you want to pair 2 shot blockers together crowding each others space? I think Dwight needs to be next to a hustle player that can shoot the open shot out to 18 feet e.g. Scola.

Dwight/Camby
Scola/DMo
Parsons/Bud
Lee/J Rich
Dragic (or maybe Dwill) / Ish smith? / Duhon

That is a really solid lineup. You could alternatively put DMo in the starting lineup to spread the floor and have Scola in the 2nd group providing a post game (he was getting double teamed last season).

thoughts?