White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants

typical Obama cowardly horse schit

1) his solution is merely kicking the can down the road
2) he dodged congress
3) pure politics to gain some hispanic votes

 

It's really not - it's prioritizing which illegal immigrants to go after and how aggressively. Different administrations have always had different philosophies on that. And work permits have always been an option for illegal immigrants, and this doesn't really change that - all it does it emphasize that people can apply for them.

And nothing in the President's policy changes the rules for naturalization in the slightest. These changes have nothing to do with granting citizenship.

 

Lol you mad.

 

It's amusing that actually doing something now to improve the lives of a million people is considered kicking the can down the road, while doing nothing but talking about future ideas with a GOP House that has shown zero interest in addressing the issue is the preferred strategy that apparently doesn't involve kicking the can down the road.

Also makes the whole "Obama has accomplished nothing" meme look even more ridiculous as the same people rail about things Obama accomplishes.

 

It was a great thing to do and a deft political move by Obama.

He has Romney now in a tough spot. Romney can't get behind the Dream Act because then he'll be shown to be a flip-flopper who has no character - just will do what he needs to, and he will alienate conservatives and split his party.

Or he remains against it...having to go before Hispanics next week and explain why he is against it.

Or he trys to muddle his way through some sort of middle ground which pisses off both sides.

Romney's best move is to come out and support this. I suspect he will. He has no chance of winning if he does not.

 

At this point, why don't we just invite everyone to come and live in the USA? We do a poor job of keeping illegal aliens out, and then we allow them to stay. Just open up the borders to anyone that wants to come.

 

Obama has had some major changes of the heart lately so I doubt he would roll out that term under any circumstances. Not that the ones you described seem likely.

 

If this decision to not prosecute is successful we will see

1. uscis wait times will actually increase (yeah that's possible)

2. wages for middle to lower paying jobs will stall or decrease

 

That's not necessarily true. Those people are already here, and they are presumably already working. But by doing so illegally, they have no leverage so their wages are likely lower, making them the "preferred" option for those businesses. By becoming legally able to work, it could put upward pressure on those wages, making it less competitive to simply hire the illegal people.

 

Their job choices are extremely limited and they have a disproportionately high unemployment rate. Now that anyone illegal under 30 can get a work permit, they will move out of those agriculture jobs to be simply replaced by other illegals over 30 or kids.

 

hay gais les move to amreeka!

 

Do you have any stats for the high unemployment rate? The only thing I can find is that illegal immigrants had an estimated 10% unemployment rate in 2010, similar to the national average:

http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-immigrant-unemployment-rate-at-10-of-estimated-11-1-million

Illegal immigrants mostly come here for jobs. As Arizona and Georgia showed us with their laws, when you make jobs less available, they leave. So it makes sense that their unemployment rate wouldn't be excessive - if there was a really high unemployment rate, they would simply leave.

But if labor supply in those ag jobs goes down, wages go up there. Again, there's no change to the total available labor force here. So if people are being added to one sector, they are being reduced in another sector. The only difference is that many people will become legal, making it harder to take advantage of them and pay lower wages.

 

The slave labor wages in agriculture jobs are unlikely to rise significantly and even if they do, all it does is foster more illegal immigration as those positions are not held by Americans.

You just possibly changed the status of a million illegal workers aged 16 to 30 with little skills to legal. The states with high illegal populations will take a major hit in wages if these permits are given out in great number. It will be interesting to track the wages for service industry in texas, Arizona and California. They had been on the rise with it becoming more expensive to get caught hiring illegals but now

 

All politicians flip flop a bit. Romney just has the Kerry disease because he doesn't show a lot of conviction and seems to go with the wind.

Obama at least is willing to be controversial on occasion, voters don't seem him as a flip flopper, just a politician.

 

Some good post and don't have much to add but the argument about Constitutionality here does seem to be a misunderstanding of the law and goes with a recent trend for people to declare things unconstitutional that they simply don't agree with. As noted this isn't naturalization and the power of enforcement has been delegated to the Executive. If it hadn't then we would be in a situation where Congress has to decide on each immigration case. Anyway if Congress or others feel this is unconstitutional there still is the recourse of Congress clarifying the law to specifically limit the Executive and / or the courts.

 

Except that these people are already here and the ones who can work probably are already. This isn't creating a new situation just recognizing the existing situation.

 

How is Obama shifting way left on immigration harmful for Romney? I was thinking that Romney now can just come in with a centrist "I have a solution that both sides would like" stance and gain ground on immigration.

 

But the jobs they hold are much different than a job they could have with a work permit. It seems pretty obvious adding tons of new workers to a workforce pool of poor 16-30 years olds who already have massive unemployment will push wages down.

 

Is anything Obama does NOT cowardly? Maybe expand your vocab. Shameful, duplicitous, disingenuous come to mind.

 

How are they going to enforce this?