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[Movie] PROMETHEUS

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  1. aghast

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    Cool. Thanks; what I wanted to know. I'll catch the next time in IMAX, then.
     
  2. London'sBurning

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    Saw it tonight in IMAX 3D and it's an absolutely beautiful film. The 3D was very well done. It's not even an important or significant scene but the shooting star that was flying when it panned out into space was maybe my favorite scene in the movie because of how pretty it was.

    I think the story itself was interesting but I don't think it was executed well. I think some fans that had their hearts set that this was going to be a great movie are trying to put pieces to a puzzle to make the film appear deeper than it is. It's the same reason I didn't care much for the Matrix sequels. That said I enjoyed the film and can't wait to see the Director's Cut.
     
  3. hairyme

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    I don't understand all the confusion over whether Prometheus is a prequel or not (from those who have seen it that is). It is most definitely a prequel to Alien, even if the two do not form a fully fleshed-out continuous story. What is frustrating is that the movie comes so close to connecting the dots between the two...

    Thematically, I understand why the previous poster mentioned the similarities to Blade Runner, but story-wise, it's not relevant to this movie. I do recommend to everyone that you all watch Alien before Prometheus if you are so inclined. I convinced my group of friends to do so in spite of some of their groanings, and after Prometheus, they ALL were happy that we did. We had all seen it before naturally, but having the universe fresh in our minds really enhanced our viewing of Prometheus I think.

    Alright, for those who haven't seen the movie, get out of here. The spoilering period is over! I think.

    My Review:

    OH SADNESS! It's so disappointing when a potentially epic movie has fatal flaws! Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it and probably will see it again soon, but the whole movie reeked of the whole masterpiece-tarnished-by-hollywood-tampering thing. Bad dialogue, useless characters, inexplicable character behavior/motivations, unnecessary action and that ******* ending!!! ARGH.

    I think most of you have said what I was thinking, especially justtxyank and Cohete Rojo, but I'll reiterate some points for the sake of establishing consensus.

    THE BAD:
    - Shaw bringing up her inability to "create life". We have two scientists contemplating meaning-of-life stuff upon discovering the engineers, and she suddenly turns on the PMS and twists her husband's (an actor I did not enjoy) remark into a dig at her pregnancy troubles?? *GROAN*

    - The biologist getting friendly with proto-facehugger. A few hours prior, this guy was pissing his pants along with the geologist ready to go back to the ship, and all of sudden, they come across something to be legitimately afraid of--a freakin' space snake--and he goes all Steve Irwin on it?!?

    - Zombie Fifield. This seems like it was thrown in for some action to feed the masses. UGH. It doesn't make any sense! Do you decompose or zombify upon coming in contact with the black goo?? And were the guys in the loading bay so impressed with Fifield's exorcist pose as to let him in? Geez.

    - Shaw goes rogue with her alien baby for a robo-cesarean... and no one cares. There's got to be some deleted scenes in here. I can see the other lady being knocked out for a bit, but David? We're left to believe that he immediately got up, and said, "Eh f*** it" and opted to go rub lotion on Weyland's feet.

    - Charlize Theron. I didn't care about her character and the quickly-introduced daddy issues or the cliched demise. I didn't hate her, but she seemed pretty useless.

    - Idris Elba and his kamikaze buddies. Shaw says two garbled lines of dramatic doom, and they're instantly convinced and almost enthusiastic to die. Bah.

    - THE WORST: The last scene. I saw the ship fly away and thought, okay great, they followed through and established a good connection to Alien... and then they cut back to the freshly face-raped engineer for an instant gratification alien birth scene! NOOOOO. I'm sure some Hollywood exec saw the ending and said, "But Ridley, how will the audience know this is connected to Alien?? They paid good money to see a chestburster! People really liked that the first time around!" They ruined a perfectly good connecting point just to give the audience some gratuitous alien shot. I didn't even need the movie to make a connection in the first place! I'm not one to want things spelled out for me... but why connect all these dots and then throw it away at the end?? And all for an unnecessary and hamfisted scene!

    OKAY, THE GOOD:
    - David. I think everyone agrees that Fassbender stole the show. I loved the character and the way he was portrayed. His reckless exploration and experiments had me on edge. Usually when a character does things like this, it is because they are impossibly stupid or absolutely eeeeevil--both of which tend to be unsatisfying and undermine a movie's believability (depending on the story). However, David was an android, so it all made wonderful sense! Obtaining knowledge is his sole purpose and drive as shown by the opening scenes, and I absolutely believed he would pursue such knowledge without any regard for the humans around him--his programmed emotions are dubious at best as indicated by the great viral promo. Furthermore, he had his Weyland-given directive to push him forward.

    Everything else was okay. It was great to have a discussion-worthy movie--the last time I argued with friends over a movie was Inception... well, and Tree of Life, bu that was a different kind of discussion... With Inception, the discussion was just trying to make sense of the mechanics of the story, which is... well, it was an interesting puzzle I guess. This movie though, provided some really neat ideas to think about and created a pretty neat universe to ponder about.

    Okay, I've typed enough. The end.
     
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  4. clutch citizen

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    Watch the first Alien movie or all of them?
     
  5. justtxyank

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    I'm going to see it a second time. The three issues in your last spoiler were ones that bugged me the first viewing. As mentioned in my first review, the last thing you mention here is something I loathe! Each time we saw it happen I rolled my eyes. Especially since I feel like it was a cheap way to explain things that they could have gotten to without it.

    For all the talk before hand that this movie would "make you think along with it" they sure treated us like morons and put the ABCs of the film on display for us.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    If I am picturing the same scene I believe that is actually the ship traveling through deep space at an extremely high speed.
     
  7. emjohn

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    Proper spoiler posts:

    use
    tags :
    spoiler /spoiler

    There's no official rule on Clutch, but it's generally desired to use spoiler tags for at least the first two weekends a film is out.
     
  8. hairyme

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    ^^ Okay, fine, I'll comply!

    I appreciate you not compromising the full text of my post, but next time, I won't mind if you just quote the relevant part! Heh, I would say just watch the first Alien since it is also a part of Ridley Scott's "vision" or whatever. Aliens by James Cameron is a totally different movie--it's more of a sci-fi action blockbuster type built on the mythos established by the first movie. It's that mythos that is set up in the first movie that I found relevant to Prometheus. I'm not sure if elements the second movie introduces (e.g. the queen) were intended to connect to Prometheus--it certainly doesn't seem like it.

    Though, if you want to have a geekfest marathon, then by all means, watch'em all! Then again, I'm pretty sure everything after Aliens is garbage based on what I've heard.
     
  9. emjohn

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    I'd highly recommend people watch Blade Runner (again) in advance of Prometheus.
     
  10. Pete the Cheat

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    first off fantastic write-up in your spoiler. but the section I highlighted really bugged me.
    if Holloway is to represent the kind of altruistic being that the Engineers had hoped to create, wouldn't the black slime have reacted in a much different manner? turning into an exorcist crab demon seeking to kill everyone on board seems like an unlikely outcome per the author's hypothesis.

    once again, overall I think your spoilered write-up is fantastic. the root of the disappointment I am seeing from people regarding the film seems to stem from so much being revealed, but the revelation only creating more questions. to me, that's what I loved about the movie...truly thought provoking.
     
  11. Ziggy

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    First off... pain in the ass I have to spoiler your post for you. Anyways
    I kind of took this as... they're pilots. They do this for a living so they probably spend tons of time in hypersleep. Meaning they don't really have ties to families on earth. Flight and space is how they live their lives and they share the adventures together. Those 3, they are probably the only close human bonds they have. That's how I imagine it.
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    I could be wrong but
    doesn't that scene also retcon the scene in Alien where they find the pilot in his seat with a chest wound? Or am I forgetting something.
     
  13. emjohn

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    Prometheus doesn't retcon what's seen in Alien

    Ridley was originally going to do a direct prequel that was going to finish with the LV-426 Space Jockey hatching the queen from his chest in the chair.

    Prometheus was tweaked so as to not be that direct tie in. Unfortunately, Prometheus begs the casual viewer to think it still is, adding more confusion to a movie that's already frustrated a good fraction of movie goers.

    Interesting tidbits I've seen on Prometheus-centric message boards:
    Fifield was mutated in a pseudo-proto-Xenomorph, not just turned into a 8 Days Later crazy: his throwdown scene originally did a better job showing him with longer limbs. That helps me a little, since the earthworms turned into pseudo-proto-facehuggers

    When Shaw says the murals are changing, what she sees on the ceiling is the massive egg with xeno-fingers from behind. It's just so zoomed in you couldn't tell (they really went too far trying to obscure things)

    It seems like the huge book of concept art helps make sense of things
     
  14. nickb492

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    To me, this is exactly what I was looking for. I left the movie theater wondering why he decided to add certain details that although subtle, seemed to stick out. Left there with more questions. Although this is just a opinion piece, this makes so much sense. Love Ridley Scott's movies but to me this is like Blade Runner. Have to watch the Director's Cut. Thought it was a solid 8 out 10.
     
  15. jae713

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    Watched it a couple of hours ago. It was good, but not as good as I thought it would be. Enjoyed the whole trying to find a creator story line.

    Found this on Reddit. A guy tried to piece the storyline by just using the screen caps from the trailers. It would have actually made a good movie if it followed this sequence. Direct tie in to "Aliens".
    http://i.imgur.com/os5iF.jpg
     
  16. mateo

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    At no point did i ever feel like the movie hinted that this planetoid was the same one as Alien. They went well out of their way to make sure we all saw LV-233. And to be fair, im glad it wasnt. Why make it so easy? Im happy Scott changed the ending.

    I think the PREVIEW made many think it was the same ship.
     
  17. tehG l i d e

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    I was looking forward to this all year then saw the reviews and lowered my expectations accordingly. I was still disappointed.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    I liked it

    Rocket River
     
  19. Cowboy_Bebop

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    Great news. We will definitely be getting an extra 20 to 30 mins for the Blu-ray Director's Cut as it should have been in the firs place. I dearly hope this will be cut will be on par with Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut.

    http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

    <iframe width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9t02XlBpwEI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  20. TheFreak

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    I don't understand how people are automatically tying the dead "engineer" bodies from 2K years ago to something that the humans did wrong in that timeframe. Where in the movie does it indicate that?

    How on earth does this guy draw that conclusion? Am I just r****ded and missed it?
     

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