With the Warriors past history of stupid trades, anything is possible. Look how many quality players they have lost over the years: Webber Mullin Hardaway Sprewell Gugliotta I´m sure there are a couple more guys who i can´t remember right now. NO team has made trades as foolish as Golden State´s. It works cap-wise, as Nikestrad has already pointed out, and it makes some sense for them, i guess. I KNOW it sounds too good to be true, but not outside the realm of possibility if you ask me. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
How about a year rent a deal for Collier? We keep Collier until end of the year then trade him for a scrub who has a expiring contract. ------------------ Hack a Shaq you'll be winning Hack-him you'll be dreaming.
How about a year rent a deal for Collier? We keep Collier until end of the year then trade him for a scrub who has a expiring contract. ------------------ Hack a Shaq you'll be winning Hack-him you'll be dreaming.
"Look how many quality players they have lost over the years: Webber Mullin Hardaway Sprewell Gugliotta I´m sure there are a couple more guys who I can´t remember right now." You forgot Eric "Sleepy" Floyd and Joe "Little Kareem Skyhook" Barry Carroll. ------------------ Forget regrets or life is yours to miss.
Mitch Richmond. There you go, another one. Oh, i really, really hope that no one posts the stupidity TRG has said on bskball.com over here. please, spare us, ok? ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
Why would they go for Webber next year if they just inked Danny Fortson to a five year deal???? and they have Foule at the 5 so it's not Cato... All I see them getting is a starter in Walt, cause I guess they wanted someone with an outside shot, get rid of the huge contracts......The more u think about it, the more ridiculous it gets...... ------------------
The Rocket Guy says it won't work. I guess that means it's a done deal. ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
Originally posted by GATER: 1) If Jamison is the franchise, what is Larry Hughes? Soured milk? Francis is the franchise in Houston. Does that mean Mobley and Mo Taylor are available for scrubs? Maybe GS can get them for Vinny Del Negro and Adam Keefe. 2) Larry Hughes played in about 14 less games for GS last year than Jamison. Hughes took nearly 400 more shots. You're including Hughes's stats from Philadelphia. The actual per-game shot averages with GS are 17.6 for Jamison and 20.8 for Hughes. (Overall, Jamison put up about 80 more shots as a Warrior than Hughes.) 3) Critics of Jamison at SF are *very* quick to point out that he has *no* 3pt shot and a very weak jumper. Not good attributes for a SF. Yes, but a little more tolerable when you're able to put up 20 ppg on 50% shooting on the inside. And many NBA players improve their outside shooting significantly during their careers; for instance, James Worthy didn't have much of a jumper when he started out, either. 4) Jamison is coming of a season ending knee injury. Can anyone be positive how much he will recover? My guess is the GS team docs know better than we do. It wasn't like he tore his ACL or anything. It wouldn't even have been a season-ending injury if the W's were still in the playoff hunt ... but what was the point in rushing him back to play the last month of a 20-win season? 5) Does Jamison's knee injury make him less effective against the SF's he will now have to guard with the addition Fortson at the 4? Jamison does need to improve his perimeter defense, but the knee injury isn't expected to have any lasting effects. I am a little worried about him being injury-prone in the long run, just because so much of his game depends on his quick leaping ability. 6) The Warriors had 1 pick in last years draft (55th). That pick was Chris Porter - a SF. And every team drafts projected starters -- including replacements for demonstrated 20 ppg/10 rpg players -- at #55, don't they? Porter has ability, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a backup SF/SG. He was a classic "best player available" pick, NOT a replacement for Jamison. 7) Currently, Rox fans express the desire (and ability) to draft Morris, Battier, Murphy or Yarborough at the 3. Surely GS will draft higher and has a much longer timeline than the Rox for returning to glory. With Jamison a free agent in 2002, wouldn't it make sense to firm that up ASAP? Were it not for the massive wave of injuries, the Warriors would have had about the same record as the Rockets, and their timeline for becoming a playoff team is about the same (i.e., maybe/maybe not this year, but definitely by '01-'02). Conversely, if the W's aren't planning to be competitive by the summer of '02, they might as well kiss Hughes goodbye, too. But I strongly doubt that's the case. ------------------
you people are such a joke it's almost not funny. other teams' best players for guys the rockets should cut. what a joke. glad i can keep a sick sense of humor about the obvious state of public schools in george bush's texas. ------------------
And where exactly were you taught how to capitalize proper nouns and the start of sentences?? ------------------ Save our children from the TAAS test: TAAS test report card TAAS test fact sheet Dog lover here....cats beware.
Hetero Doxy u had better shut the hell up right now because i go to an excellent public school and that little smartass remark offends me. ------------------ --TEX [This message has been edited by TeXaSalsa (edited September 02, 2000).]
I think it's intresting that Walt Williams value according to Rockets fans seems to have dropped so much as to be considered a 'scrub' or a 'throw-in' or whatever, when last year he was one of the major reasons for the Pippen trade. Without making a judgement as to what Walt Williams' real value is, I wonder if his perceived value among NBA GM's might be closer to what most Rockets fans thought it was last year? Just a thought. [This message has been edited by Ottomaton (edited September 02, 2000).]
Geez! Sorry I missed this one yesterday! Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Cato is a base year compensation player meaning his salary is only worth 1/2 in a trade. A Cato for Dampier swap would really be kind of an even deal. They both are big men who have limited offensive skills but are very athletic. The main difference is that Dampier can rebound. The rest of the deal (Drew/Williams/Rogers/Pick for Jamison) makes sense in some ways for the Rockets. It clears up some of the frontcourt logjam and brings in a young budding star to add to an increasingly talented line up. Again, Jamison is a ferocious rebounder which compliments Taylor's diminished skill in that category. For Golden State's part, they get some MUCH needed shooting and some salary cap flexibility. I do NOT doubt pops at all on anything. I may be the only person here who has met him face to face and he doesn't make stuff up. Oh, and for the record, I spoke to a member of the media just last week who told me that ClutchCity.net's BBS is one of his first stops on the internet every morning. Others have told me the same thing, so don't be surprised if this stuff ends up in the hands of media people, etc. I am always surprised when people don't believe that media people, etc. come here and read this place. We have internet connections and found this place because it is the coolest Rockets site on the web. Why is everyone so shocked if other people do as well? I mean, if your job was playing for, working for or writing about the Rockets, wouldn't you visit this site? I would. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Well, do you what happened to Charles, or Dream? IF I applied your logic to Houston then we would have been a PO team for sure. On the other hand, I do agree with you that GS would have been much better if they were not injury-niggled. If I'm right, they never fielded a team that had Hughes, Antwan, Eric at the same time. ------------------ Hack a Shaq you'll be winning Hack-him you'll be dreaming.
But Rocket Jjang, Houston WAS widely expected to be a playoff team before the injuries to Barkley and Olajuwon. The difference is that GS had key injuries to younger players, thus making its W-L record a poor indicator of the status of its rebuilding process. You're right that Hughes and Jamison have yet to play in the same game. Dampier played 12 games with Jamison and 7 with Hughes. ------------------
I just thought I should remind u that Cato would would be ****ing pissed if we traded him.......We make him work out like hell, telling him he's gonna get big minutes, only for him to go and back up Foyle......Won't do wonders for our future quests for free agents either....... I say both teams benefit both by NOT doing this trade then doing it..... ------------------
I just thought I should remind u that Cato would would be ****ing pissed if we traded him.......We make him work out like hell, telling him he's gonna get big minutes, only for him to go and back up Foyle......Won't do wonders for our future quests for free agents either....... I say both teams benefit both by NOT doing this trade than doing it..... ------------------
This seems to be lopsided in the Rockets favor to me, but if the source is reliable like everyone says he is... man that would be fantastic. I've always liked Dampier--the guy is a load. I think Cato is more athletic and a better shot blocker, but Damp is a hell of a lot stronger and a MUCH better rebounder. About Jamison, for this year I could see him at SF for the Rockets, but for next year I'd prefer they let Taylor go and let Antawn man the 4 long term and then go after a true sf. Jamison is so quick inside I'd hate to see that go wasted on the perimeter, but I guess at the same time the plan would be to invert his and Mo's role on the offensive end. If this trade is an actual possibility, of course. it's fun to think about nonetheless. ------------------
Cato's (or any other player's, for that matter) post trade disposition should be of zero concern to the Rockets. ------------------
Trading Antawn Jamison (with or without Dampier) is no more ludicrous than Dale Davis for J. O'Neal. 1) If Jamison is the franchise, what is Larry Hughes? Soured milk? 2) Larry Hughes played in about 14 less games for GS last year than Jamison. Hughes took nearly 400 more shots. 3) Critics of Jamison at SF are *very* quick to point out that he has *no* 3pt shot and a very weak jumper. Not good attributes for a SF. 4) Jamison is coming of a season ending knee injury. Can anyone be positive how much he will recover? My guess is the GS team docs know better than we do. 5) Does Jamison's knee injury make him less effective against the SF's he will now have to guard with the addition Fortson at the 4? 6) The Warriors had 1 pick in last years draft (55th). That pick was Chris Porter - a SF. 7) Currently, Rox fans express the desire (and ability) to draft Morris, Battier, Murphy or Yarborough at the 3. Surely GS will draft higher and has a much longer timeline than the Rox for returning to glory. With Jamison a free agent in 2002, wouldn't it make sense to firm that up ASAP? I think there is alot more to this than meets the eye. Just to say that Houston is giving up scrubs for an all-star is a serious over simplification. ------------------ GATER [This message has been edited by GATER (edited September 02, 2000).]
