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Hope I'm wrong, but we might miss KT

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by glynch, Dec 28, 2002.

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    It is only four games but I'm becoming afraid. At times early in the season we had a killer zone defense. We haven't had it since KT left. Posey is a good perimeter defender, but can't help much inside as he is too thin.

    KT was not the perfect offensive player, but overall he is as good as Posey and is definitely better inside. EG and Mo T are just jump shooters. Mo T at least tries, but with his zero hops and short arms, he is usually blocked if he tries much inside. Hopefully he can regain some quickness and hops with more rehab. Cato is a rebounder and defensive guy.

    Yao is now all alone as a guy who can score inside.
     
  2. MLC1MGC2ALC3

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    I have to agree with you at this point. Without Ming on the floor this team is very ordinary. In my mind it comes down to.................Lack of Basketball Smarts ! :confused:
     
  3. SLA

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    I have been missing Kenny Thomas. Less rebounds, less points, less defense. What the hell is wrong?
     
  4. RIET

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    The trade was a good one from every angle.

    KT was an undersized PF whose contract was going to expire at the end of the season. He wouldve wanted way too much money and we wouldve let him go for nothing.

    Instead we got James Posey an excellent defensive player and a solid offensive contributer who can rebound and run the break.

    Also, if you look at the long-term, one of the PF's had to go. Mo Taylor's contract is hideous. Rather than having him sit on the bench and sulk, the trade is allowing him to regain his old form. If he plays well, we may actually be able to trade him at some point in the future.

    EG needs to play. We aren't going deep into the playoffs this year anyways. This is the perfect opportunity to let EG develop his offensive skills. If he can show some improvement, this will go a long ways towards this team's chances for the next 3-5 years.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    As much as I like James Posey, I think you are right. KT actually had a post game and played hard every game. He could match up respectable with guys like Karl Malone and at least put up a good match. From now on the Rockets will be toasted by the strong PF's in the leagues, which sucks considering how many there are in the West.
     
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    Glynch for the 1st time ever (I think) I agree with you! :)

    We need someone to do the dirty work. No way will mo do this and for some reason Eddie fancies himself as a 3-pt specialist.

    The Rockets made a huge mistake in paying mo-T all that money. So to try to mike a right from 2 wrongs they trade our best PF for another (Rice, Boki, & the gang) SF.
     
  7. glynch

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    Unfortunately I can only hope a few months from now I won't agree with this post myself.
     
  8. Rockets-R-Us

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    RIET -

    You must be high!!! The Roc's have proven many times over: via Matt Maloney, Matt Bullard, some other guy names Matt (just kidding on the last one :D ) that they are willing to bite the bullet on a stupid contract decision to not at least try to trade MoT instead of K.T. !!!

    Even if we got dick in return for Mo, I would rather see his dope smoking, jump-shooting (maybe), no-rebounding and no-defense ASS out of a Roc's uniform than trade K.T. Posey isn't half the player that K.T. is an we got screwed on the deal.

    K.T. proved himself to be an unbelievably important piece of the puzzle and the dumbass Roc's made a desperation move to get rid of him. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

    This trade is going to rank up there with the Astro's idiotic decision to keep Richard Hidalgo over Abreu (An all star, left-handed Right fielder traded to - You guessed it: Philidelphia :mad: :mad: )

    Watch as K.T. goes nuts in the East, and helps pull the Sixers back into the finals against N.J. while the Roc's slip to 10th in the West and Rudy is fired, and we have to start "re-building" all over again :mad: :mad: :mad:

    I hate the idiots running (ahem ruining) this team!!!
     
  9. DaDakota

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    I think KT was the toughest guy on the Rockets and he provided the defensive spark.

    Now that he is gone, the Rockets are starting 5 soft players, with another soft set coming off the bench.

    Posey is the stopper, but he is too new to take over that role.

    We are in deep doo doo.

    DaDakota
     
  10. RIET

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    That is 100% inaccurate. James Posey is a very good player.

    That trade was absolutely oustanding.

    James Posey offers tremendous versatility. he can play both the 2 and the 3. He is a great defender, a role player who can score and is willing to play within the system.

    KT was an undersized PF that played adequate defense and had some good low post moves but by no stretch was he an outsanding player on either end of the floor.

    Here's a question. Who plays SF next year? A 70 year old Glenn Rice? Nachbar who hasnt played a single significant minute? Terrence Morris?

    KT was better than EG or Mo T. but not by that much. EG should improve every year while KT has pretty much peaked.

    James Posey at SF is a much bigger upgrade than KT's loss at PF.
     
  11. saleem

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    It's very troubling that both Mo-T and Griffin get in foul trouble quite quickly as well along with their known weaknesses which can leave us with virtually no one at the 4 spot. Posey can be a very good player for us provided if he can get his shots down. He can also give Rice some rest which might make it easier for him to hit his 3 point shots.
    I know this probably won't make any difference but I might consider adding Mark Bryant if he is waived by the Nuggets.He can give us six more fouls and a big body for 8-10 minutes.
     
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    I think the only reason that this trade seems so bad is that Eddie is shooting extremely crappy. We might win a game if Eddie stops shooting the ball FOREVER. I don't mind him starting, he's a rebounding and blocking machine, but he should never, ever, ever, touch the ball on offense. He is absolutely horrid. I cringe when he posts up more than I do when Moochie posts up.

    The kid just ain't ready.
     
  13. Pat

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    Just out of curiosity, what do you base that on. Kenny surptised me with his growth every year. The one who is looking like they peaked is Eddie. Though I certainly hope not.
     
  14. RIET

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    Let's see. Kenny Thomas is a 6'7" PF. Will he every average 10 rebs a game? Highly doubtful. Will he every average 20 points per game? Highly doubtful. He has improved every year because he's a hard worker. However, overachievers are still limited by their physical talents.

    Kenny's stats last year were fantastic but he played a lot of minutes on a very bad team. Kenny Thomas is a good 25-30 minute/game player but will never be a 40 minute starter. He is just too small to play inside against some of the better PF's.
    Also, Kenny needs to touch the ball a lot for him to make things happen. Outside of lottery teams, that's not going to happen.

    Eddie Griffin has a legitimate PF body if he can gain some weight. He's only 20 years old and rarely do you peak in the NBA at 20 unless youre lazy. He is already a better Shot Blocker than Kenny and they average almost the same rebounds per 48 minutes (Kenny 10.9, Griffin 10.8).

    To put things into perspective, Eddie Griffin is the same age Kenny Thomas was as a junior at New Mexico. Is Griffin better at this stage than Thomas was 5 years ago?

    Eddie needs to work on his dribbling and low post moves. If he can just improve his shot and add some bulk, he can be outstanding.
     
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    I got on this msg board tonight to discuss this very topic. Specifically I wanted to call out all those clowns who dogged out KT for so long. Where are you now? Besides Yao, KT was the Rox
    only consistent inside player. In many respects KT did a lot of inside dirty work that Yao has not gotten acclimated at doing yet.

    Mo-T is an overpaid, big baby. EG is starting to look like a bust, especially when you consider how well Richard Jefferson is playing. Oh well, too late now, KT's gone. Deal with it.

    ~kountzer~
     
  16. RIET

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    Classic Backup QB syndrome
     
  17. Rocketsss

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    I agree that KT is better than MoT or EG. This was a bad trade that the rox made. They should have traded off some other players beside him. Rox played better with KT in the lineup. They had more wins.
     
  18. SLA

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    Currently, we are losing. But I believe that after Posey gets used to our team and we all settle down, we will return to winning and our fun playing. Everybody said that the Houston Rockets benefitted from this trade. All the magazines and news and websites all say the Rockets will appreciate this trade. Right now, we are all upset, but I think the Rockets can succeed. Patience! Kenny Thomas was a great player but was just too short. Eddie will hopefully become better and better. James Posey will hopefully contribute.
     
  19. Yao1134

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    have we won a game with posey? without kenny?
     
  20. New Jack

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    It’s hard to say right now whether the trade was a mistake or not because Posey really hasn’t had the chance to show what he can do. Obviously, the team is missing what KT brought, but I think once Posey becomes comfortable and gets major minutes, he can be just as important to the team.
     

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