Is Mack Brown the most overrated coach in college football

FWIW, he was the greatest college player to accomplish nothing. (1 Big XII championship, and a few awards not named Heisman... nothing overly-special).

 

it's be like d-rose of the bulls getting injured in game 7 of the finals;

Sure, you have other plays but the guy was the main playmaker and youd rather have him over GG.

Just thought I'd put it into perspective since texas was very conservative and predictable with the playcall until they HAD to throw with GG (leading to sacks, fumbles, 4 INTs)

 

UT was crap before Mack Brown. It's amazing how people forget that.

 

T-sipps are irritating.

But the haters are downright ridiculous.


Colt McCoy's was an average college QB, really?

He has a rough sophmore campaign, but in his other 3 years he only lost 2 games that he finished.

One of them was his second start against the number one team in the country, and the other game he wins if Blake Gideon catches an easy interception.

As for Mack Brown, he is the president of the football team, not the coach. 4 BCS bowls and 2 appearances in the National Title game are good results. Could be better, but other than Saban,Urban meyer, and maybe Les Miles there's nobody decidedly better IMO.


Stoops hasn't won a title in over a decade. They weasled thier way into 2 of their National title games over more deserving teams. The one legit appearence they made, they got absolutely torched. Since 04, they've averaged 3 losses a season.

Now stoops is a great coach also, people just have unrealistic expecatation the expect any coach to compete for National titles all the time.

 

Seriously, its as if John Mackovic didn't exist.

Moreover, Texas football is so ridiculous with the corporate influence and media spectacle that Mack Brown is more of a CEO than a coach at this points.

I know its a high profile job, but I think the Texas job has to be one of the most ridiculous ones to deal with. Way too much bull**** to worry about on top of coaching. I mean all coaches have to deal with it to a certain extent but Texas just seems especially bad.

 

Mack gets compensated for that. He's consistently one of the top 3 highest paid coaches. There is a lot more money at stake for the school also.

 

It's the same at Bama or LSU or USC or any other top tier program. If he really wanted he could have got an rg3 or a luck or whomever. I don't think Mack was ever a great coach and if not for VY he might be gone. He was getting destroyed by stoops he couldn't win the big one and going to holiday bowl every year. Then he got Vince got a NC and right after he got colt who was pretty good from his first year.

 

Records

• UT - Total Touchdowns, Career: 132 (Broke record on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri)<SUP id=cite_ref-35_recap_13-3 class=reference>[14]</SUP>
• UT - Touchdown Passes, Career: 112 (Broke record on September 20, 2008 versus Rice)<SUP id=cite_ref-62_TD_11-2 class=reference>[12]</SUP>
• UT - Touchdown Passes, Season: 34, (Broke own record of 29 on November 15, 2008 vs. the Kansas Jayhawks) <SUP id=cite_ref-KS_Recap_12-3 class=reference>[13]</SUP>
• UT - Touchdown Passes, Game: 6, (October 14, 2006 versus Baylor)
• UT - Passing Completions, Game: 41, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)<SUP id=cite_ref-tough_Knight_63-1 class=reference>[64]</SUP>
• UT - Consecutive Passing Completions, Game: 18 (October 25, 2008 versus Oklahoma State (surpassed his own record of 17 on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri).<SUP id=cite_ref-35_recap_13-4 class=reference>[14]</SUP>
• UT - Career Wins by a Starting Quarterback: 45 (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Vince Young, also most career wins in FBS history)<SUP id=cite_ref-SI_a.26m_14-5 class=reference>[15]</SUP>
• UT - Passing Yards, Season: 3,859 yards (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Major Applewhite)<SUP id=cite_ref-SI_a.26m_14-6 class=reference>[15]</SUP>
• UT - Passing Attempts, Game: 58(Tie), (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)<SUP id=cite_ref-tough_Knight_63-2 class=reference>[64]</SUP>
• NCAA - Highest Single Season completion percentage: 76.7%.<SUP id=cite_ref-94 class=reference>[95]</SUP>
• NCAA - Colt McCoy is one of the three FBS quarterbacks to average 10 wins per season for four seasons.

[edit] College awards and honors

• 2006 "All Freshman Team" by College Football News<SUP id=cite_ref-CFN06_awards_7-1 class=reference>[8]</SUP>
• 2006 “National Freshman of the Year” by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus<SUP id=cite_ref-95 class=reference>[96]</SUP>
• 2006 Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.<SUP id=cite_ref-bio_20-1 class=reference>[21]</SUP>
• 2006 Valero Alamo Bowl Offensive MVP
• 2008 Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Offensive MVP
• 2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press<SUP id=cite_ref-AP_B12_awards_96-0 class=reference>[97]</SUP>
• 2008 Second-team All-Big 12 by the Associated Press<SUP id=cite_ref-B12_awards_97-0 class=reference>[98]</SUP>
• 2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation<SUP id=cite_ref-WC_Award_98-0 class=reference>[99]</SUP>
• 2008 First-team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation,<SUP id=cite_ref-WC_AA_99-0 class=reference>[100]</SUP> FWAA,<SUP id=cite_ref-FWAA_AA_100-0 class=reference>[101]</SUP> and Sports Illustrated<SUP id=cite_ref-101 class=reference>[102]</SUP>
• 2008 Archie Griffin Award<SUP id=cite_ref-102 class=reference>[103]</SUP>
• 2008 co-Sporting News Player of the Year<SUP id=cite_ref-103 class=reference>[104]</SUP>
• 2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up <SUP id=cite_ref-Heisman_runner-up_104-0 class=reference>[105]</SUP>
• 2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP
• 2009 First-team All-American by Associated Press, AFCA, FWAA,<SUP id=cite_ref-105 class=reference>[106]</SUP> Walter Camp Foundation,<SUP id=cite_ref-106 class=reference>[107]</SUP> Rivals.com, Scout.com
• 2009 First-team All-Big 12 <SUP id=cite_ref-big12sports.com_107-0 class=reference>[108]</SUP>
• 2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year <SUP id=cite_ref-big12sports.com_107-1 class=reference>[108]</SUP>
• 2009 NCAA Quarterback of the Year <SUP id=cite_ref-touchdownclubofcolumbus.com_108-0 class=reference>[109]</SUP>
• 2009 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award <SUP id=cite_ref-109 class=reference>[110]</SUP>
• 2009 Davey O'Brien Award
• 2009 Manning Award
• 2009 Chic Harley Award <SUP id=cite_ref-touchdownclubofcolumbus.com_108-1 class=reference>[109]</SUP>
• 2009 Maxwell Award
• 2009 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
• 2009 Sporting News College Athlete of the Year
• 2009 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year <SUP id=cite_ref-110 class=reference>[111]</SUP>

 

Silly Rice boy...First Play? Try the third play, he was 2-2 before he got injured.

:grin:

 

haha..the arguments made by the haters are pretty funny/ridiculous. Brown could've done more with the talent he had, but there are only a handful of schools that have done more. Since 2000, here are UT's end of the season rankings (AP):
'00 - 12
'01 - 5
'02 - 6
'03 - 12
'04 - 5
'05 - 1
'06- 13
'07 - 10
'08 - 4
'09 - 2
'10 - UR
'11 - 24

 

Recruiting, marketing and building the program is part of the job and Brown is great at those aspects. You can quibble with his tactics, or pure football coaching acumen, but the results are clear. I would criticize their ability to develop talent, but that is just from an NFL point of view.

 

lsu and bama might be churning out some quality D players, but UT has always been cornerback U

 

Ehh...as much of a homer as I am, that title belongs to the U.

 

I didnt mean as the TOP cornerback U but in general, there was alot of talent

cedric griffin
michael griffin
michael huff
quentin jammer
earl thomas
aaron ross
aaron williams
nathan vasher
t. brown (16 game starter for 49ers)

plus more im sure

 

This is the stupidest post in this thread.

 

Excellent recruiter, poor talent developer. With their recruiting classes basically always being top 5, they should be so much more competitive.

 

Not much of a college football fan, but I thought Mack was continuously criticized at UT for his less than stellar on-the-field prowess. Seems like he's fairly judged in terms of his strengths and weaknesses.

The question is, if UT is as awesome as people say they are, should they have been able to find the very best coaches? Those that can both recruit and coach disciplined football at the same time? To me Mack is like a Rick Adelman type. You know he's very good. But he's not Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich.

 

Rick Adelman is actually an excellent comparison.

The thing about Mack is, the Texas program was in the cellar before Mack came along. Once he got here, he completely turned it around and made it what it is today. They aren't going to just send him on his way hoping they can find a better coach.... and they shouldn't, honestly.

He's going to stay in Texas until he's ready to retire. He's earned that right, in my opinion.

 

Sheesh. Here we go again. The 2009 National Championship Game can be summed up in one picture:

Spoiler

Just stop F'ing saying that Texas would of won FOR SURE if Colt played the whole game. Maybe next time he won't try to run into Marcel Dareus.

 

Did you watch college football from late 90s to early 2000's. Mac was criticized heavily for getting blown out by Oklahoma and being unable to win the big game. How many conference titles has he ever won? How many before VY. Did you even go to UT?