Sorry i start a new thread to reply this cuz the oringinal thread was closed i dunno what this all star voting got to do with chinse political system this poster boguht it up on purpose to insult the chinese he think he can teach a whole nation something about voting but what he write shows he knows nothing about China cuz in China every villige the chinese vote for their leader one vote per person there is more voter than the united states!!! I think this poster just hate Chinese people in his heart !!! maybe that what he want to see flame from chinese poster !!!
Look, there is a reason why the administrators closed that thread. It is because they did not want that discussion to be continued.
Maybe thedreamisover is just a child who has not touched Chinese history much, or an old man who has ever been to China in World War II, if you think you have some knowledge, don't be entangled any more. Ignore it.
Dude, (sigh) this is hopeless. Nevermind. This thread will close (or be moved) in 5...4...3...2...oh, crap! It's 5 freakin 50 in the morning. Okay...I will suggest it to be moved, because I really do see an opportunity here for two different cultures to exchange some understanding of what is considered humor and what is considered insensitive ohh, and what knowledge is needed not to be ignorant. Turtles egg! I am preempting Deckard's "Can of Worms" post with, I know, I Know, but I love Monty Python. The world today seems absolutely crackers, With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high. There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger. It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why... I like Chinese, I like Chinese, They only come up to you knees, Yet they're always friendly and they're ready to to please. I like Chinese, I like Chinese, There's nine hundred million of them in the world today, You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say. I like Chinese, I like Chinese, They come from a long way overseas, But they're cute, and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please. I like Chinese food, The waiters never are rude, Think the many things they've done to impress, There's Maoism, Taoism, I-ching and chess. I like Chinese, I like Chinese, I like their tiny little trees, Their Zen, their ping-pong, their Ying and Yang-ese. I like Chinese thought, The wisdom that Confucius taught, If Darwin is anything to shout about, The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt. So, I like Chinese, I like Chinese, They only come up to you knees, Yet they're wise, and they're witty, and they're ready to please Wo ai Zhongguo ren, Wo ai Zhongguo ren, Wo ai Zhongguo ren, Ni hao ma, Ni hao ma, Ni hao ma, Zai jian. I like Chinese, I like Chinese, They're food is guaranteed to please, A fourteen, a seven, a nine and lychees I like Chinese, I like Chinese, I like their tiny little trees, Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin and yang-ese I like Chinese, I like Chinese, (fade out....) .
Relax fatfatcow, The poster was trying to be funny, not offensive. I doubt that he/she/it thought that a 'joke' based on 'voting' would be taken personally (actually, I doubt he thought much at all). He probably is not even old enough to remember Tiananmen.
thedreamisover is the most terrible moron I have ever seen. stupid but arrogant.a total trash who knows nothing about China maybe the rest of the world
Everybody that keeps saying "Relax, it was just a joke" is demonstrating their utter insensitivity. It was a tastesless post that is disrespectful towards the Chineese. A joke does not give somebody a license to be offensive. This is purely a basketball site and visitors don't want their cultural differences made the brunt of a joke. It is low class to do so and not acceptable. Why don't you ask Trent Lott if he thinks his comments are "No big deal" as his political career is marred if not outright done. You guys are making southerners look bad. I am a black man and if anybody made such a comment to my face, well...those are fighting words. I would be highly offended...let me rephrase that, I am offended. If you don't think it is offensive, imagine yourself making such a comment at a bar to somebody's face. If you think it is fine, then you need to get out more and have more worldly experiences because you are sheltered. Take my word for it. Do not make excuses for the original poster and please do not make such posts yourself in the future. Keep it to yourself, please. This isn't the time and this isn't the place.
Oh, and if you don't think it is offensive, then why do you suppose people are reacting this way? Just because we have nothing better to do? Think about it. The simple fact that you have offended multiple people should be proof enough that it is offensive. And where do you get off telling others that they shouldn't be offended by this? That alone is offensive. There is no way to defend yourself on this issue. Doing so only makes yourself look more ignorant. Do yourself a favor and do not respond any further.
i'm in agreement with krosfyah. plus i am reposting my message here, despite the fact that this has nothing to do with basketball. i think the reason many chinese posters found this offensive was the attitude of the post. the poster was trying to be witty but also was trying to insult people in a very subtle and "college-boy" type of way. also, i think it was another subtle message indicating the poster's unhappiness with the number of new chinese posters on this board, much like kim's. put it this way: when you take jabs at someone's country/political system, you are basically insulting their nationality also. it would be like europeans implying that our government was idiotic and that our people are mindless sheep--i'm sure a lot of people on this board would react violently to that. well, that's pretty much what the poster was implying in a half-joking manner. so think before you post. or if you are intentionally trying to be offensive, try showing some courage and do it in public rather than in an internet forum. regarding this forum--as i understand it, this forum is the effort of one or more die-hard rocket fans who are responsible for the costs of maintaining this site. as for everyone else who does not contribute financially, you really shouldn't ever complain about the quality of the posters or the forum in general. it is free so no one should act as if they own the board. nor should anyone act as if they have more intelligence because they have posted more frequently. that's ridiculous. if you don't like the current state of the forum, don't use it. specifically to the poster--i know you were trying to be tongue in cheek and witty, but in reality it just sounded smug and "college boy" like. its embarassing to see insults that are designed to be barely hidden by smart-ass humor--show some balls, dude. i think krosfyah had a good point--don't post something on the internet if you wouldn't have the balls to say it to someone's face--especially someone who understands sarcasm in english. anyway, apologies for posting about non-basketball related items.
fatfat, Perhaps we should rename you dumbdumb. Do not re-start a thread that has nothing to do with the Rockets and has been closed in the Rockets Forum. It was closed for a reason. If you want to battle politics, religion, etc., do it in the BBS forum, not here in the Rockets forum. Keep this garbage out of the Rockets forum.
The fact that something was offensive does not mean it was intended to be that way. If this was the situation, as it seems to me it was, then what is needed is some awareness raising, i.e. education, not an angry attack. We’re not talking about Trent Lott here, an elected public figure who should be held to a higher standard, were taking about a newbie poster on this BBS. As a black person in America I suspect you know the difference between ignorance and an intentional racial/cultural slight. My take on this is that it was not intentional at all. Does that make it not offensive? No, but it does mean that you should deal with it differently. I don’t think that shouting the guy down is the best way to teach him what is wrong with what he said. FWIW, to me his post reads as insensitive teasing, but I am surprised at how much it has offended some of our Chinese members, so I’ve learned something here too. The poster used a broad stereotype, a cliché, to try to tease Chinese posters into voting for Yao. I see it as being similar to me, a Canadian, saying to you Texans, “Put away your six shooters! Get down off your horses! Go into the ranch house and turn on that new fangled compooter thing, and vote for Yao!” Edgy, insensitive teasing? Yes, but it’s clearly not intended to be a serious characterisation, and it’s nothing that most comedians wouldn’t say. Sometimes it’s hard for people from a different culture to know where the line between funny and offensive is. Of course, it’s always wiser not to go anywhere near that line until you know where it is, but I still think that what is required here is education, not condemnation, or reading more into the post than is there.
krosfyah , The guy said China is not a communist country, they need to go extreme democracy and vote vote vote for Yao Ming to the All Star game and tried to do funny sarcasm. How the hell is that like Trent Lott saying the USA should've had a President that wanted segregation, then the USA would be a better place today? Many Chinese posters, in response to the "insult of China" have come back with "China Rocks, USA sucks, 911, shot in the street, Thread Starter is evil and just wants to bash Chinese". They are infering his freaking attitude, which is no science. Worst case scenario: the guy was ignorant and has bad taste and is insensitive...but what's even worse is the responses that people have come back with. They are intentionally abusive. Look, if someone is being ignorant, what the good people here at the BBS have done is politely explain to them why they are wrong. That's how a discussion starts. That's how progress occures. So let's start this now: 1)Question: Why is it so bad to make fun of the Chinese government? Before you answer, keep in mind that in the US, we make fun of our government all the time. 2)Question: Why is it bad to make fun of Chinese culture? Culture jokes are funny. Have y'all ever heard of Chris Rock? Bill Mahr has a whole skit on the stupidity and wastefulness of the US culture? I don't think he caused any riots, so I guess not many people took those as fighting words. 3)Question: What is the sense of humor of Chinese like in general? For example, I'm sorry if I offend Germans, but Germans are so not funny in general, and I've met/known about 38 Germans in my life. They are so square. And a lot of people I know who know even more Germans concur. In the US, there is toilet humor, situational humor, kick to the balls humor, sarcasm...I think the need to laugh is really important to US culture, just my opinion. Turtle's Egg!
So you're saying that helping you understand that the original poster possibly did not intend offense but still acted stupidly, does not help the situation? In fact, we should all just shut-up, because any attempt to help you deal with an ignorant post makes us look ignorant? Based on the 'attempt' at humor, it was probably written by a teenager, not a college-boy. Stay bent out-of-shape if you so choose. It is certainly your right to stayed pissed off. But don't confuse attempts to help relieve your anxiety about a stupid post as defending the post itself. Next time, I think I'll just let you rant and rave. Knock yourself out.
obviously, i'm not krosfyah, but i'll try anyway. 1. there's nothing wrong with making fun of the chinese government in a constructive way, but doing it in a basketball forum where you know it will upset certain people is spiteful. and, yes, it is pretty clear the poster is not really that ignorant and knew what he was doing. 2. there's nothing wrong with making fun of a culture as long as you don't imply that you yourself are superior, which the poster was doing in a half-joking manner--the "talking down" manner in which he implied that chinese people aren't civilized enough to understand the concept of voting. it would be like, say, a finnish person teasing a white american about the history of slavery and segregation in america, implying that americans don't know the difference between right and wrong--it begins to insult a person's national pride. bill maher, incidentally, had to cancel his show because he was too critical of our government and our military (calling our military strategies "cowardly"--i know that is not the official reason, but it's pretty clear). 3. there are levels of humor--that meant to cause laughter among everyone, and that meant to cause laughter among some and anger among others. saying germans are unfunny is acceptable in this country, because americans saying it are generally not backing it with some condescending notion--given that many americans are of at least partial german heritage. however, continuously teasing a german person about hitler and the holocaust in a joking manner may eventually cause that person to strike back at you--even though they may be ashamed of hitler and nazi germany. the bottom line, i think, is, "never talk down to people". the moment people feel they are being patronized, they will usually retaliate. keep in mind that a lot of chinese have a lot of residual sensitivity regarding racial colonization and superiority--american and british rule in the 19th and 20th century, and for chinese americans, treatment of chinese immigrants in the 19th and early 20th century.
This is the internet he dunt have to be responsible for what he said so probaly the poster intendtion was to get the chinese ppl mad, like me, after reading it , maybe u think hes trying to be funny just like the movie rush hour too alot of jokes is funny to some ppl but it wasnt funny to me i got offennded . The people who defended this poster is worst than the poster himself saying **** like culture joke are funny, if this guys was saying this in chinatown n he got jump by some chinese guy will u stand up before him n say yeah culture joke are funny man hes is just trying to be funny !!!And some people are hyprocrite and dunt even have gut to admit that are rasict in the internet so they say **** indirectly .
Again, if you are making excuses for the original poster, than at this point you are more insensitive than the original poster. I realize it was a joke and probably unintentional. That doesn't make it right. It was still rude and I find those of you defending him in the wrong. Mind you, I'm only having this discussion to try to educate. I'm not putting anybody down or being disrespectful. I'm trying to get the point accross that this comment was not OK and those of you defending it are also taking a bad position. Bottom line. The post was wrong and there is no defending it..
Originally posted by krosfyah Again, if you are making excuses for the original poster, than at this point you are more insensitive than the original poster. I hope you're not talking to me, because I make no 'excuses' for the original post. I realize it was a joke and probably unintentional. That doesn't make it right. It was still rude and I find those of you defending him in the wrong. Who's defending him in this thread?
I'm not angry and I'm not attacking. I havn't called anybody a derrogotive name except perhaps rude, ignorant and insensitive. All descriptions which I stand by. I'm not saying they're 1-to-1. I'm using that as an example of a so called unintentional comment causing a lot of heart-ache for other people. If you can't see that, then it's difficult to have a rational discussion on this topic. There IS no difference. THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!!!!!!! They both result in making me feel like $hit. If I need to explain this to you, then we might have reached the heart of the problem. Let me say also, that too often a racial attack is disguised as a joke. Why should I be burdened with interpreting your underlying meaning? If you just didn't say it at all, then nothing to worry about. Again, I'm trying to be respectful as I have not made any direct attacks on an individual...I'm only discussing the comments made by individuals. But at this point, I find the individuals defending the original poster more troubling. At least the original poster hasn't tried defending his own position because he probably realizes there IS no defense. So I would like to bring it to your attention in an educational manor that your moral position here is wrong. Similar to when Bush said any country harboring terrorists is themselves a terrorist. Again, I'm not equating these two things 1-to-1 but merely pointing out that defending the original poster is the wrong moral position on this issue.
if i am correct, kim was more or less defending the post as relatively harmless, and i think krosfyah was responding to that. obviously beating a dead horse, but here is another example. imagine if someone who is non-american and non-white started a post regarding shaq's unusual size and strength, combined with athletic ability. then, to elaborate, the post started to discuss how this might be related to the injustices of white slave owners, and the "forced breeding" of black slaves in america, but doing all of this in a half-joking manner (i believe either jimmy the greek or al campanis were basically forced from society by mentioning this). not only would blacks be upset and offended, but white americans would also be upset. they would be upset because this hypothetical non-american is basically associating all white americans with slavery and torture of blacks, even though the majority of modern americans are probably ashamed of that era but can't do anything about it now. much like many chinese people and the fact that they live in a communist country. they are probably conflicted between loving their country and people, and being conflicted about a government which is criticized heavily by americans. my point being, don't open sensitive topics and expect everyone to laugh about it.
