1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Phil Jackson showing his true colors as a coach.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Heretic, Dec 20, 2002.

  1. Heretic

    Heretic Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    Messages:
    540
    Likes Received:
    1
    With his mega-superstar not playing up to expectations Phil Jackson is showing the league what a lot of people have suspected all along. He's not that great of a coach. As with the Jordanless Bulls he's showing that at best he's an average coach who can't do much without his megastars making him look good.

    As a disclaimer I feel obligated to state that my opinion on Phil Jackson is influenced by a deepseated hatred of all the bandwagon bulls and lakers fans and sportswriters who continually chirp about what a awesome coach this guy is despite him never having proved any coaching ability such as turning a bad team into a great team.

    Down with Phil Jackson!
     
  2. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    This is the Rockets forum.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,132
    Down with Kobe!
     
  4. Yetti

    Yetti Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,589
    Likes Received:
    529
    Iv'e been of that opinion , since he took over as the Bulls Coach!
     
  5. ASIA

    ASIA Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    82
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would like to see him coach Cleveland. :D
     
  6. micah1j

    micah1j Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    2,635
    Likes Received:
    61
    OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,633
    Likes Received:
    33,634
    Before you post, you really have to ask yourself whether a thread about Phil Jackson and the Lakers belongs in the Rockets forum...

    Moving this to the NBA Forum.
     
  8. Iceberger

    Iceberger Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    I couldn't agree with you more. Phil is totally overated. then, again, we have to admit he is smart enough to choose to coach teams loaded with the talents. Above all, I don't think he will ever coach a bad team.
     
  9. Heretic

    Heretic Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    Messages:
    540
    Likes Received:
    1
    Sorry about that, clicked on the wrong forum channel before I posted.
     
  10. Drexlerfan22

    Drexlerfan22 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2002
    Messages:
    6,361
    Likes Received:
    520
    Notice how the Bulls got dismantled:

    Jordan: "Well, I'm finally throwing it in."
    Pippen: "And I'm leaving."
    Rodman: "Me too."
    All: "Well, let's say bye to Phil... Phil? Where'd he go?"
    (Slow motion of Jackson running, screaming "NOOOOO!!! My win percentage! NOOOOO!!!")
     
  11. OverRRated

    OverRRated Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2002
    Messages:
    937
    Likes Received:
    0
    Same as when he first took over the Lakers and won the championship......leave Phil out of the equation, add Tex Winter + other assistant coaches, one head coach with half a brain and they still win.
    Same equation for his days with Chicago.

    Both teams just needed those few years before their victories to become familiar with each other, and individual players to mature.
     
  12. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 1999
    Messages:
    18,304
    Likes Received:
    3,310
    Have you checked their record? ;)
     
  13. Kayman

    Kayman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 1999
    Messages:
    724
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am not sure this thread needed to be moved from the Rockets forum. The main message of the thread was that Phill is not so great when the talent he has to work with includes the likes of Tracy Murray. And as you know from the main BBS page Tracy Murray is your ticket to the Rockets forum. :)
     
  14. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,176
    Likes Received:
    29,656
    You guys have all underestimated Phil Jackson's talent.

    Phil Jackson is extremely brilliant . . . in timing his decision to join a team as their head coach. :D
     
  15. SLA

    SLA Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,021
    Likes Received:
    0
    Phil Jackson!
    Did anyone see the OT game in Philly with the Lakers? That was a brilliant play that he made.....just Rick Fox couldn't catch the ball for an easy layup.
    Anyways, Phil Jackson has to be a master at coaching to be able to win how many championships? TOO MANY! Maybe he has always had the best of the best. And now it will be interesting to see if he can lead the Lakers to the playoffs once again and maybe win the World Championship. If he does, that will prove that he is a great coach.
     
  16. kidrock8

    kidrock8 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2000
    Messages:
    6,414
    Likes Received:
    4
    That is MUCH easier said than done. Remember when people said that Shaq would never win a ring?

    You guys are overvaluing X's and O's. The players who have played under Phil, are the first to acknowledge how great of a coach he is.

    He does a great job of motivation (when it matters), as well as letting his players know what they are expected to do. Everyone of his teams in the past and present have had an indentity.
     
  17. pasox2

    pasox2 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,251
    Likes Received:
    47
    Phil is a good coach. He can draw up a play out of a time-out. He does have his team prepared and ready to play. He understands and exploits matchups. He gets players to understand and accept their roles. Players look better with him than they do when they leave. Unfortunately, he is also a smug goober.
     
  18. Panda

    Panda Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2002
    Messages:
    4,130
    Likes Received:
    1
    One of Phil's specialties is taming thugs. He got the most out Dennis Rodman. Rodman was just a biotch under other coaches, except for Chuck Daly. He has only respect for Daly and Jackson as coaches. He even went on Jay Leno show saying "I love you Phil, I'm waiting for your call." when he wanted to play for the Lakers. Phil maintains his authority while makes his players feel close. Oneal says Phil is like his white father and is only willing to play on the Dream Team had Phil been nominated as the coach. All shows Phil has good grasp on managing relationships, a sign of good coaching.
     
  19. LLJ

    LLJ Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    0
    Phil is a solid coach, but not the best coach. He draws up decent plays and runs a good system. But his main strength is as a good motivator and an even better psychologist, this season notwithstanding. He knows when to push and when to let his players sort it out.

    I don't think Phil is *the* reason why the Bulls and Lakers won championships, but he's one part of the reason.

    And yes, he is smug and difficult to like. But I think he deserves some respect.
     

Share This Page