Wouldnt be a need to with a gun in his hand. Now would Trayvon be alive if Martin would've stayed in his car. OR at least didnt get too close
1. So you are calling an insufficiently bloody scalp on GZ as a "lack of evidence?" Regardless of how bloody his scalp is. For all you know GZ was lying and he got the injury to his head falling backwards when Martin decked him after GZ attacked him. 2. Who are you kidding? You make your own judgment by indicting Zimmerman of Murder. I'm actually just siding with the investigation thus far. If it was manslaughter, the correct term is that he's Martin's killer. It would not be the same as murderer. It is wrong to assume that he flat at murdered Martin without all the facts. As far as we know GZ defended himself from an attacker. It would seem that Trayvon was the aggressor here. Nobody saw what happened as to who was the aggressor and who wasn't. You can't state 100% that what GZ said was a fact. What we do know is that GZ told police dispatch that he was following Martin and that GZ got out of his vehicle. We don't know who the aggressor was because Martin's girlfriend says she heard GZ approach Martin and say "what are you doing here" (or something along those lines). This difference in statements is enough probable cause to say that GZ could be lying as to what really happened that night.
Yeah and GZ could have headed for K-Mart instead of Target. The current account is that Trayvon initiated the contact; GZ had only followed to keep eyes on him and was last getting the address off a house as instructed to do... or so they say.
You're right. Which is why no one should have made any assumptions until all the facts were out. The media was reporting about witnesses that don't even exist. Until we hear the testimony from Mr. Martin's girlfriend, we can't claim it as fact. If the prosecutors have a case and believe he is guilty, then by all means charge him. I don't want a guilty man set free. I just don't want an innocent man put behind bars because the media fked up their job to report undistorted facts without a biased agenda.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Have you seen the building? Have you seen where the building numbers are shown? Have you seen where he was on the phone with the police? I think the answer is no to all of those. So how do you know if he had to get out of his car or not. He says he did. Not to mention it was night. If these were condo/apartments, you should know very well that you can't read the apartment building numbers at night, half the time you can't read them in the day they are so out of sight and difficult to find.
Hey I'd love to go back to grade school-- had a great time. We can go back through the 160+ pages of this thread and analyze every user of "murder" and find that it was probably used both as a noun and a verb plenty of times but the important thing is to recognize that "murder" has a strict legal definition that "killed" does not and it makes brief communication like this more clear to use the more exacting word than the more vague one. Who's pissed off? I hope Zimmerman gets what he deserves. So far it is looking like self-defense. It's only the creative reconstructions that describe him as hunting down a child and murdering him that would lead the investigators to any other conclusion... and they aren't paying attention to that drama.
She was telling him to run away, which he started walking fast once he noticed GZ following him. If you look at the overhead view of where Martin was shot, he was still between the gate that GZ said he went through and along the path to get to his dad's house. GZ could have easily driven in his car to a point between Martin and his dad's house and then cut him off. That would mean that Martin would be going home with GZ standing in the way. This is pure speculation of course but not out of the realm of possibility.
To counter your argument, GZ had been patrolling this area for a long time. He knew the people that lived there. He would be very familiar with all the cross streets and building numbers. This was a super small subdivision.
Zimmerman did refer to him being a teen in his 911 call, so I'm sure he knew there was a very good chance of it.
Because he was walking/running along the sidewalk between the buildings. The red circle being the spot where Martin was shot. GZ wouldn't have needed to be in between the buildings to get a house number.
Eh, maybe. I go to my friends apartment complex all the time, but I don't ever remember the building number. If I had to give delivery instructions I would have to go outside and look all around the building for a sign. You're right it could be either way. He could have truly hunted Martin down and slayn him right in the street, but we don't know what happened. Which is why I think everyone should keep their judgements to themselves until they have enough evidence to condemn a man for such a crime. I want to say that anyone who murders someone should be arrested and charged with at least manslaughter, I mean you killed someone. Then you have to remember, these people don't know if the person attacking them is armed, or if they are going to keep beating them until they are dead. Maybe in the moment you don't think, you just think about preserving your life and you don't think about the others. I don't own a gun, but if I did, and I was attacked I would shoot the persons knee caps. I don't want to take someones life, but I don't want them to get away, and I certainly don't want them to harm me. We don't even know for sure how he was shot. It was in the chest I believe, but through the chest, or through the back? Was it at an angle, up? down? Were there stains on both sets of clothes? Just one of theirs? A lot of different pieces of evidence that will tell us SO MUCH MORE than what has been publicly released thus far. I am glad the prosecutors reviewed the evidence before drawing their conclusions based on MANIPULATED public opinion.
1. It's not just that. There are phone records, and witness statements. We've gone over this before. 2. I'm saying to bring him to trial. I think there was enough evidence for this. Apparently so does the independent prosecutor. I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty of anything. 3. That's not as far as we know. That's what you decided. You for some reason have decided to accept some witness statements and disregard other witness statements. You've decided to accept some phyiscal evidence and disregard other physical evidence. You've decided to accept some interpretations of the evidence, and disregard other interpretations of the evidence. I don't know why you did that, and how you decided which evidence was the right one, but without accepting some and disregarding others there is no way to come up with the idea that as far as we know Martin was the aggressor. That is hardly accurate based on the physical evidence, phone records, witness statements etc.
Well, now you have been officially proven wrong. The Prosecutors have filed charges against GZ. So legal authorities believe they have a strong enough case to disprove self-defense meaning it is not "creative reconstruction". Now we can honestly say at a minimum, it's now debatable. Now we will let the legal justice system decide and we can all stop speculating. I now feel justice will be served. GZ will be arrested and will stand trial. That's all I ever wanted.
