Mchale puts martin first to score and martin lets go out early to so he dont get tired or somethin like that but martin still can do damage....well at least lets see when he comes back..give him a break....never know might even play harder now since he seen the team without him =)
i dont know if it was the mental or physical or combination of both that was holding k mart back, but hopefully he has had time to clear his mind and heal his shoulder to come back and shut his haters up and get us past the first round of the playoffs
Amen, I'm with you with that....I know he can so yeah and his defense got a bti better hopefully get more confident espcially now.
I'm torn, KMart when he's on is as efficient as they come but Courtney, I feel, is just the better starter in the Rockets' current situation. Hopefully he comes back with something to prove if they make it to the playoffs.
Yeah cause he has definitely shown to be one of those guys that takes a team on his back and drives them through a playoff series................ For whatever reason, blame it on McHale, whatever, but for whatever reason....we are a better team without him on the court. Except for 1 of every 4 games when his shot is actually falling. Which according to the Martin fanboys, is also McHale's fault. The fact he can hit shots one game....and then throws up 3 just absolutely **** games....
i never said it was the coach's fault, kevin martin holds himself back when he plays like trash, but we have all seen what he is capable of, if he can do that consistently then it would be freakin awesome if he came back during playoff times. it is what it is, he has played crappy this year, but we know he has that potential to score like crazy
I'm not sure how you can do that. Different offense, different players. He just doesn't fit anymore. With Lowry or Dragic and Lee, the rockets have a very complete (2 way) backcourt and have come a long way since Brooks and Martin. Martin's tried to improve defensively, but it's similar to the Lowry Vs Dragic situation. Keep the back up and you won't lose much, maybe gain more and the starter's salary could be displaced to another position and improve the team as a whole.
im hoping when he comes back he can be a quick scorer off the bench that will spark our offense. I dont know if he will agree to it, but that's the ideal scenario.
lol wut? You guys are just flat out making **** up now. Stop villianizing people. He was on fire from January 14th to February 3rd, in which we went 9-3 He was very bad from February 4th to February 14th, in which we went 3-3 He caught fire again February 15th to Feb. 28th, in which we went 5-2 Its fairly obviously he is a streaky player who makes us a VERY good team when his game is on, and an average one when he is off. If you look at the game logs you can clearly see when he isn't on, and not surprisingly he doesn't play many minutes in those games. Send him out there, if he plays well, ride his offense, if he doesn't or you need a better defender for a team with 2 perimeter wings (Parsons can only guard one), sit him for Lee.
How am i villainizing Martin? I said he doesn't fit, not that he's a cancer or quitting on the team. You must be thinking of another poster's comments when replying to mine. The team is different now. Saying he helped the team win in the past isn't proving that he's going to fit in now. -Parsons is scoring more/better -Lee has remembered that he's more than a spot up shooter on offense -Dragic is the starter, not lowry, and that may last for the rest of the season, maybe longer. The rotation is showing good chemistry. Saying he won't fit in well is far from making **** up. If anything, you're proving that with Martin this team is either in a game or not. I'd rather roll with a team that's going to be in every game and move Martin's large contract to improve the team some more.
I'm sorry I just don't agree with any of that and I doubt management does either. The team has been the same all year. A good, not great team who can occassionally beat great teams but can also lose to ****ty ones. Because Parsons is getting better as he learns, the team is different? Because Lee is not injured anymore and Martin is, the team is different? I don't think so. All this stuff you are describing are just rotation adjustments due to injuries. The team is till a PG driven offense with good depth. The rotation is showing 5-5 in its last ten games. Since Martin has been out, Rockets have beaten Memphis, LAL and OKC, but have also lost to Toronto, Cleveland and Phoenix. Thats not good chemistry, thats seeing what you want to see. Martin is fine, stop hating on him.
He was a top 2 player for us last season, I still think he can be a very valuable contributor to this team..but for this season it has to be off the bench..starting line up just has too much chemistry that shouldn't be messed with. I won't forget he carried us for a few stretches this season too putting up 20+ pt games easily. Injuries have obviously taken a toll..he was playing through his shoulder his injury.
True, but are you telling me being in games in the end more often doesn't mean anything? It's not a positive or improvement? Some kind of change, within the team, took place for that to start happening. The team isn't different because of the individual effect of those changes, but from their collective effect. You broke them up to prove a point, but that was not my reasoning. "the team is still a pg driven offense..." ....so why is Martin so important then? Why can't Lee step in permanently? The way you argue in Martin's favor, you'd think the offense was driven by Martin, or the SG, at least. Also, if you want to argue that the team is the same, fine. However, that means Lee has managed to replace Martin effectively. Or at the very least, the team has. So again, why do we need Martin anymore, if this is the case? 2 of those 3 losses came before acquiring Camby. That's another reason why the team is different. He's helping plug a weakness in the front court, but he's old, so he won't be here too long. That's why it makes sense to use Martin to get long time help upfront. 5-4 since trade deadline, not great, but 3 of 4 losses to playoff teams, in which we lost by an average of 4.3 points. the fourth loss, to Phoenix, we didn't have a back up point other than Fortson, who stunk that game. obviously not a good situation for a PG driven offense and a major reason why they lost. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up hate against Martin. Again, all I said is he doesn't fit. Maybe you disagree, but that's not hating on Martin. I'm talking about his impact on the team, not his individual talent. Again, much like the PG situation, i can say Lowry should be traded to help improve the team and it doesn't mean i hate him or can't/don't appreciate hs talent.
Ugh i'll be fine if I don't see K-Mart on the floor again. The guy plays zero defense. Never seen him dive on the floor.
The Rockets being in more games at the end? I don't see that at all. I see the same caliber of team all season, adjusted somewhat by the addition of Camby and loss of depth due to injury. You speak as if the team is fundamentally moving in a different direction from the begining of the season, which just isn't true. Martin is important because he is one of the best scorers in the league and is a weapon we have effectively scoffed and locked away never to use again. I have no idea why people are so findamentally against the guy. He has clearly shown he can be effective on this team, in this year, within this offense. Thats not speculation, he has shown that already in stretches. To say "he doesn't" fit anymore is completely baseless. If that were the case, then Lowry clearly doesn't either with the emergence of Dragic. Thats a double standard which is exactly why I see all this as hate. Why are things so black and white with you? Why does it have to be Lee or Martin. Why can't it be Lee AND Martin? We need anything we can get our hands on to make us a better team. We are not good enough to afford the luxury of tossing aside talented players. Acquiring Camby is all the more the reason to play Martin MORE, as he can help compensate for his defensive shortcomings. And what big are you going to trade Martin for? Bigs are simply unavailable. Perhaps I am putting you in a bucket with others, but there are clearly people on this board who underappreciate Martin and target him for no other reason than he is an easy target. To say he doesn't fit is completely arbitrary. Budinger is a guy who has had similar shortcomings. All offense, no defense, but what ends up happening. McHale brings him in when scoring/shooting is needed and sits him when defense is needed. Where is the angry mob to run Budinger out of town? Its a double standard and it needs to stop. Like I said. Root for Martin to come back healthy and hit his stride just in time for the playoffs, not for him to fail and be traded/cut in the offseason. The what have you done for me lately attitude of fans is just awful.
A key difference between Martin and Budinger is their salary. Martin makes starter money, if he isn't filling that role he is hurting the team salary flexibility. I believe we should milk whatever we can get for him, off the bench. Roll with him as a token starter next year and move him at the deadline.
