I just realized that the dumb idiot basketball hall of fame didn't even put him on the ballot last year to be considered a first ballot hall of fame. What a joke.
He was on the ballot last year but did not make the cut as a finalist (top 10). a great day one of my favorite sports pics: look at the expressions of the tormented Knick fans, who know with complete certainty that this game-winning shot will go in, even though it hasn't left his hands yet. Count the people mimicking Munsch's "the Scream". My favorite is the guy in the brown coat, even with Reggie's knees.
I do not think that you understand that the Pacers had some good teams in those years. People are taking Rik Smits and Dale Davis, very lightly. We can also ignore how good their team defense was. We can also ignore the Bird teams with Mark Jackson, Chris Mullin, Jalen Rose, Rik Smits, and Dale Davis. 93-94: 19.9 PPG (50%-42%-90% from the field) - 20.2 PER, during the season. 23.2 PPG (44.8%-44%-83.9 from field) - 21.9 PER during the playoffs. 94-95: 19.6 PPG (46.2%-41.5%-86.3% from the field) - 20.1 PER, during the season. 25.3 PPG (47.6%-42.2%-86.0% from the field) - 21.8 PER, during the playoffs. 97-98: 19.5 PPG (47.7%-42.9%-86.8% from the field) - 19.8 PER, during the season. 19.9 PPG (42.6%-40%-90.6% from the field) - 20.1 PER, during the playoffs. 98-99: 18.4 PPG (43.8%-38.5%-91.5%) - 18.7 PER, during the season. 20.2 PPG (39.7%-33.3%-89.5%) 21.8 PER, during the playoffs. 99-00: 18.1 PPG (44.8%-40.8%-91.8%)- 17.3 PER, during the season. 24.0 PPG (45.2%-39.5%-93.8) 24.6 PER, during the playoffs. How does a player dominate a season, and not be considered for MVP once. 5 all-star appearances in 18 seasons. I can say the same thing about Dennis Johnson or Richard Hamilton/Chauncey Billups leading their teams to the playoffs. He was never dominate player for an entire season, maybe for a series or certain playoff runs. I cannot recall one, where he was tearing the league up for 82 games, like say Tracy McGrady or Allen Iverson and through the playoffs, like MJ or Kobe. Reggie Miller was a fine player and HOF worthy, but he was nowhere close to MJ (let's not be revisionist), especially for a player who roughly only averaged 20 PPG in his prime and never had any sort of special skills beyond scoring. Moreover, he's not as close as you perceive to shooting guards, like Kobe Bryant, George Gervin, Tracy McGrady, Pete Maravich, Allen Iverson, or Clyde Drexler. Miller was not quite up to snuff with alot of those players, he was never an elite scorer, like those players were, as he also lacked the versatility. More in the category with Joe Dumars, Sam Jones, Richard Hamilton, , and Dennis Johnson.
Dumars 16,000 career points Jones 15,000 Hamilton 15,000 DJ 15,000 Reggie 25,279 One of those is nothing like the others. Reggie amassed the same career numbers and then played 7 more years at a high level. Gervin at 26,575, as a shooter, is closer to Reggie than any of those guys, for a career
You mean Reggie Miller was closer to George Gervin than vice versa. Moreover, you are comparing Miller who is only little over 18 ppg to one of the most talented scorers in league history, who average between 25-26 ppg. Lead the league in scoring 4 times. Miller's career high in scoring average would only match Gervin's 7th best NBA season in scoring. Miller couldn't scratch the surface of the Iceman.
Why are career totals irrelevant and season averages are so important, to some people when talking about the basketball HOF, but when it comes to baseball, as an example, the exact opposite is the norm? Gervin was a better overall player than Miller, for a career, but the guys you lump Reggie with couldn't carry his jock.
You believe, at his peak, that Reggie Miller was better at the game of basketball than Tracy McGrady? For all his other faults, Tracy McGrady was very, very good at playing basketball. And much better than Reggie Miller.
I believe one player is in the hall of fame because he was synonymous with his franchise 18 years because he was clutch in the playoffs and led his team to many conference finals and an NBA Final I also believe people who bring up a player who's not synonymous with 1 franchise and had zero playoff series victories are just bringing up his name because they are jealous of every successful and beloved player in NBA history. These people don't really know anything about Reggie Miller. You want an answer? this is simple, who would I have lead my team? Reggie Miller Who would I have be on my franchise and not threaten to leave? Reggie Miller Who would I have take the shot in the clutch moments of a regular season, playoff, conference final, or nba final game? Reggie Miller
I didn't ask about any of that. I'm asking who you think was better at playing the game of basketball.
Miller absolutely deserves the HOF. 25K points is enough to make it IMO. Add in that he's clutch, one franchise, etc, he deserves it!
I answered your question, based on what each player has done for his organization. Oh my bad, Tracy had many organizations. I'll take the loyal, consistent, HEALTHY, CLUTCH player any day. This thread is about Reggie Miller and the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of Shame. Pacertom, I assume a Pacer fan, must be like "What the $%$% are they talking about that guy on a Reggie thread?" What's next? TOFs talking on Don Nelson's thread? Ralph's thread? Tracy fans jealous of that they didn't elect Tracy to be in the Hunger games?
Madden was a great coach, he made it to the Super Bowl, you can mention him on this thread as a cross sport person who was elected to the hall of fame for his sport.
BINGO....man why is anyone even questioning him in the HOF. I remember him being a top 10-15 player in the 90s...with unique and special qualities(That alone gets you in the HoF)...How many players are in the HoF???? 148??? Well Reggie Miller I would say is in the range of top 50-100, so hes a easy in.
Why can't you just talk about Reggie Miller? How about this. I'm not going to mention who these players are , you tell me who you want on your franchise: Player 1. franchise retires his number wins olympic's gold for his country 4 conference finals 1 nba finals played 18 years for one franchise consistently healthy great player coach relationship great player management relationship Player 2. no franchise has retired his number no olympics no conference finals (no playoff series victories) no nba finals won't play for more than 4 1/2 years with one franchise not consistently healthy not great player coach relationship not great player management relationship I'm thinking player 1.
I know his r****ded commentary gets to people.....but Drexler was the 2nd best sg of that era, and it's not really close.
Player 1 *Selected to 5 All-Star Games *3 All-NBA Third Teams *Ranks 43rd All-Time in Playoffs PPG *Relied heavily on moving off-the ball and receiving the ball in catch-and-shoot opportunities to score *Had little skill creating off the dribble and only once averaged greater than 4 assists per game in a season *Made little impact on the boards, never averaging greater that 4 rebounds per game in a season Player 2 *Selected to 7 All-Star Games *2 All-NBA First Teams *3 All-NBA Second Teams *2 All-NBA Third Teams *Ranks 4th All-Time in Playoffs PPG *Could score in a variety of ways, either in perimeter isolations, post-ups, curling off screens, or pick and rolls *Could beat most any defender off the dribble and score or pass in traffic, averaging greater than 4 assists per game in 9 different seasons *Averaged greater than 5 rebounds per game in 10 different seasons No one questions Miller's durability or longevity. But as a basketball player, he was a one-dimensional shooter-scorer and a compiler, whose Hall of Fame induction speaks more to his long career and consistency, rather than any sort of transcendent brilliance. He's the basketball equivalent of Eddie Murray.
