First of all So let me get this straight, Durv is pointing out why the situations are different, and you are calling him a nut. You keep calling me a hypocrite, but you haven't yet shown me one instance where I am. You were all on your high horses earlier when you thought you "caught" me When in truth this has nothing to do with whether I think Dragic deserves to remain a starting spot or not. You constantly whine on this board about the organization and about Lowry. When you get called out for it you cry and start acting like a child. Then when you get cornered and get insulted in return you start calling me classless. Is it really that hard to show me where I said Dragic doesn't deserve to start? After all "this is too easy" right? Or are you just gong to be a 45+ year old man with an ego problem who can't just walk away after saying something baseless and getting called out for it?
The Abzorbaloff Once again sucks all of the personality out of a discussion and convert it to is own purpose.
My suggestion: keep Lowry, keep Dragic, trade DD. Even if we have to take on an albatross contract. Just get rid of him. That guy is horrible.
Sorry Vienna, flaming has been an ******* too often, and I am sick of it. I will exit and let the ******* have the last word....as he will never stop. DD
Hey Delusional Dumbass All I asked was you show me where I said Dragic doesn't deserve to start. If you paused your impulsive brain and read other people's post, you would realize that I didn't disagree that Dragic should remain a starter until Lowry is healthy and capable of working his way off the bench. This was on page 6. But instead, you spent the last 3-4 pages arguing that I said otherwise. And for the last 3-4 pages I've been asking you to show me where you got that idea from, instead of doing so you Ad Nauseam 3-4 useless pages when all you had to do was put up or shut up. Now you are saying I'm the one who want the last word?
Dragic The problem is, that Dragič plays good only when he is a starter. Second point is, that Lowry has much more to show, what he can do, than Dragič (you cannot compare 12 games with Lowry's carreer achievements). Third point is, that Dragič, when he is not a starter, goes into a slump. Before anyone labels me as Dragič's hater, please keep in mind, that I am from Slovenia, and, if at all, am biased for, and not againts him. But facts are facts. Lowry is a proven brilliant player with almost no inconsistensies in his career. Dragič is an incosistently brilliant player. So, I would choose Lowry over Dragič any time. But, on some team, with weak PG bench, Dragič, as a starter, could be a marvel - but the difference is, that Dragič "could be", while Lowry "is". Just my two cents.
Apparently you hit a nerve with some of your posts. I don't think he is responding to the logic of your arguments, but rather the insulting manner in which you apparently expressed them:
a fun fact A fun fact McHale, while being GM of Minnesota, visited few years ago, together with Rasho Nesterovič, Slovenia. He told Goran, that he saw him then. Goran; "I was 16 or 17, my training dress was to big for me. Most what he remembers is, that I was quick "like lightning". McHare is a good trainer, and I would not mind to cooperate with him in the future playing seasons" just for diversion from more "heavy" themes of discussion. Source Dnevnik 27.03 2012 Pred leti je McHale, ko je bil še generalni direktor moštva Minnesota Timberwolves, z Rašem Nesterovićem obiskal Slovenijo. Povedal mi je, da me je takrat videl. Bil sem star šestnajst ali sedemnajst let, na sebi pa sem imel veliko prevelik dres. Najbolj mu je v spominu ostal podatek, da sem bil hiter kot strela. McHale je izredno dober trener in prav nič ne bi imel proti, če bi z njim sodeloval tudi v prihodnjih sezonah,"
That's absolutely fine if he thinks I make crap up, the problem are his thoughts are never consistent with reality. He can't even support anything he said. Worse of all if you call him out for it, he blows up. I like to think I'm a responsible person so I'm more than willing to concede, apologize and donate 100$ to the tip jar if DD could point out where I made crap up or argued that Dragic doesn't deserve to start.
Ok, this thread has kinda spiraled out of control. I think this is what the Rockets need to focus on. Get something valuable in return for whatever PG is not on our team next year. I think both Lowry and Dragic are good players and I am OK with whatever player the Rockets would like to keep. I just can't imagine Dragic signing with the Rockets if Lowry is the starter or if Lowry is even on the team. Dragic has proven in my opinion that he is a starter in this league, so other teams will be after him. I don't see Dragic signing with the Rockets if he thinks we are just going to trade him, so the Rockets would have to try and work out a deal where we almost simultaneously do a trade for Lowry and sign Dragic to a new contract if we hope to get anything in return for either one of our point guards. It all sounds rather tricky and difficult to me. In the end I think we lose Dragic with nothing in return. Do you think Dragic has become fond enough of Houston and the Rockets to stay here even if we don't trade Lowry? I doubt it. Dragic sees that the NBA is a business and that he is viewed as just another asset for the Rockets. Dragic will probably go to the highest bidder that needs a starting point guard.
I think Dragić wants to be a starter. After the trade to Houston last year he said that his days of being an understudy are over and that his ultimate goal is to lead his own team - i.e. as a starter. He was pretty devestated after the last years trade - he never expected it from Phoenix - and i assume he wasn't particulary happy that his name was constantly in trade talks this year. Overall i think he understands that It's just business, but he did said that he would like to return to Phoenix one day. He really liked the city and the people, I think he even still has a house there. In my opinion he'll be looking for a fairly paid starting job, but Houston might have an edge here, because McHale's style of coaching suits him really well.
This is exactly what I think, IMO, the Rox only chance of keeping him are matching any offer and adding a year as well as max rasises, and trading Lowry for a pick or better piece in another area. DD
I disagree DD. I think you go hard after Dragic right out the gate. In fact if they haven't already started I would be surprised. That's our edge. They should be kissing his ass now. I worked for a company where I trained people overseas. One of our clients in India I trained had a young man follow me around always asking what I needed. He offered me snacks drinks whatever I wanted. If he saw I liked something the next day he would automatically bring that first. I didn't ask for this treatment but by the end of the month he knew more about me than my wife. (no sex jokes) The reason I think they did this is because the valued the training I was offering and they wanted to give me the best training possible. I did. The point is Morey should be doing everything in his power to impress upon Dragic that we value him more than just money. That we know him better than any other team and can give him what he wants here. If that means playing the Slovenia anthem before games do it! If that means having a ball girl follow him around and wipe his sweaty balls on command do it! We have an edge that no other team has. Now is the time to drive around in a Red truck and show up on his door 1 second after the free agency opens up. Write a song for him. Dragon, Dragon, dragon (To the tune of Yao Ming)! Of course I am joking but not completely. Gogi appears to have strong ties with his family. Make this his second family. Use that to our advantage. Do it sincerely but do it now. Don't wait till later.
Man, we have to keep Goran. We just have to. 22, 6, and 6. He's stretching this out past Lowry's hot streak early on, now.
I think its in everyones best interest to just stop debating DD. This is what he does. He bases a strong opinion on something he knows isnt likely to happen(Rockets retaining Dragic/trading Lowry) and he says that this Should Happen so when that thing doesn't happen he can say I told you so, and blame Morey, Les, or whoever he is throwing darts at that day. His formula for debate is pretty typical and easy to spot if you have been on this board for longer than a year. The end result of his argument is something you can always predict wont happen so in the end DD is right, and the outcome favors him if you debate it. -So yes, in a vacuum, it would be great if the Rockets could retain Dragic this summer, and maybe, possibly get a top 5 pick for Lowry on draft night that turns into a franchise player. However, anyone who pays attention to the draft will tell you that its extremely difficult to move in the top 10 even when you are offering an All-Star calliber player. Its all about the stars aligning in that case, and you must have a willing party. It has to be a perfect fit for the trading team, and there are too many unknowns when it comes to retaining Dragic in free agency to take that gamble on trading Lowry when you dont even know if Dragic will sign the offer sheet you send him in July. So yes, DD. I agree with you about alot of things regarding Dragic & Lowry but your negligible about the fact that its going to next to impossible to grant your wish, and that is why he is debating so heavily on that side of the argument. He knows its not going to happen. The truth is the Rockets just should feel fortunate that they were able to rent Dragic for a couple seasons, and be open to all possibilities in the summer. Nobody knows whats going to happen on draft night. Not even Morey. Something might open up and make retaining Dragic possible. If they have to let him walk and retain Kyle going forward the team will be just fine next year with Lowry. He's still an awesome, young point guard. One thing your forgetting to mention too is that they can always make Dragic an offer and see if he excepts it to be a top 6th man in the league. If he wants to go take over a bad team as their franchise point guard then so be it. He will be a rich man playing on a bad team. However, almost all teams who are contenders will NOT be offering much more than the Rockets are. There is an upside to resigning with Houston even for slightly less. However, the fans need to realize how highly unlikely it this is going to happen. DD is leading you down to a river of dissapointment and disgruntlement. You dont have to drink the water.
