I went to a Chicago Bulls fans BBS, and found they were comparing their Jwill and our Dynasty. Obviously, most of them are jealous of us having Dynasty over, but there is one guy who's take on Yao is very interesting. He's no homer like us, and it's fun to read his opinions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... Regardless, watched Yao tonight against Memphis and Pau. It was a Yao-Pau night. Every comment about yao should be followed by the statement ...." someone who's 7'6"". For example, Yao runs the floor well for... someone who's 7'6" Yao doesn't jump very well, but "someone who's 7'6" " really doesn't have to. Yao moves well vs 7'4 and 7'6 stiffs, but he really isn't very quick. He's couldn't guard PAu, and Houston didn't even really try to use Yao to defend him. Yao also lost all three jump balls he jumped to Pau and Wright. Not only is yao a poor jumper, but he's not a very quick jumper. Yao benefits quite a bit from Stevie's penetration breaking down the defense. Yao gets some dishes but a lot more put backs on Stevie's misses, which helps to elevate his FG% Respect for Yao's range, as I suspected, also helps Francis and Mobley drive the lane, since the big man has to follow Yao out of the paint. After a drive however, Yao does get back to the boards well after a Francis miss..to get the put backs noted above. though, yao only has brief flashes of aggression. He played quite passively especially relatively to Pau. Pau's fire and agrresion for someone so thin was quite impressive. Yao got more of his rebounds simply becuase ...someone who's 7'6...is taller than other people. On the boards in the paint, and with fouls, Yao must have diplomatic immunity. There were a number of 3 second non-calls on him on both ends of the court. On one occassion, I counted him in the paint 6 seconds w/o him touching the ball. Yao also had 3 blatant non-calls that would have landed his fellow countryman Batere on the pine. The NBA refs realize (or have been told) that cutting Yao some slack and keeping him in the game helps the NBA's business. All the new Asian fans and Asian pride is great for the game... and the bottomline. The above is not take anything away from yao's game for he displayed a nice array of moves, and has only been in the country for 7 weeks..so he does have skills.... especially for...someone who's 7'6". However, he did seem to go too much to his left shoulder dip, and right turn-around. The move will be too predictable, and within the game it became anticipated, when Jason Williams recognized it and stripped him of the ball when Yao brought it down before the turn to the right. yao for all his size, also had a very hard time rotating and helping on Jason Williams quick penetrations. Yao altered a lot of shots, but he simply isn't that quick, aggressive or athletic, at least for a seven footer...but then again for someone who's 7'6..... Yao can add some strenght, but that won't really help his quickness or hops which to me is he greatest lacking. 7 footers with hops like Pau, J.O'neil, eventually Tyson will be able to create mismatch problems for him on defense, and should help contain him on the perimeter when yao's on offense. teams building around twin towers with a quick tall 4, and muscular 5 should match up well against yao, and also help against Stevie's penetration, since the atheletic 4 can guard yao outside, while the muscular 5 can stay home in the paint. On thing nice about Yao, and even Pau for that matter, is that they've played in championship situations, even if, in the case of yao, it was the CBA. Yao's been a pro since what? 14 or 15? His years of playing with older more experienced players in the WC's, Olympics and CBA really have made him immediately more useful (ie. NBA ready) and composed on the floor during pressure situations. This exposure that foreign players get even blow away what 4 yr college players get, let alone high schoolers. Becuase of this glaring disparity, right now it isn't even fair to compare yao with Curry or Chandler. Based on athleticism alone, I like the Bulls future with Chandler and Curry when they're 25 yrs old, rather than with a 28 yr old Ming. Though I'd probably take Pau over any of them....Pau not only has skills, but he has one thing you can't teach: ATTITUDE...something EC and YAo both need more of to succeed. Regardless, Yao can be a very good 5 with some unprecedented skills. In a league short on 5's, he could even be one of the better 5's. But to mention him in the same breath as Wilt, Jabbar, Shaq is really going overboard.
that guys opinion counts for dick since its only based on one game. what a ****ing nimrod. if he picked any other memphis game to watch this year his opinion wouldnt be so generous in regards to pau, who had his season high against the rockets. it would be analagous to saying yao is a better player right now than duncan because he had a better game when they went head to head.
if yao got so-called (as he said)quickness and leaping ability,he will eat all of C alive(include shaq and wilt) right now!
Using Pau to illustrate Yao's quickness is idiotic. Why not use Kevin Garnett for that matter? Yao'g fg% being high due to putbacks off of Franci's missed penetration misses? Why not tell Shaq and Kobe about it? The last part is self contradictory with all the harping on Yao's quickness, I mean if Yao's quickness is as bad as this idiot sounds, how could he get back to grab offensive boards?Pure bull from biased Bulls fan. Yao can use a little hops and more quickness, but things shouldn't be blown out of proportion.
Give Pasol credit for not being intimidated of Yao's height.But what a cry baby he is!!!! Go griff!5 blocks!
I guess the guy is allowed to have his opinion but it was a very biased report at best. 1. Is Pau Gasol better than Yao Ming right now? He should be. Of course Rudy T smartly matched Yao Ming up against the Memphis centers and not Pau Gasol. Wait until Yao Ming has a full season and off-season under his belt. 2. Did the refs cut Yao Ming some slack on a couple of fouls and 3 second penalties? Maybe but they certainly made plenty of bad calls that did not favor Yao Ming. For example: Early in the game Yao Ming grabbed an offensive rebound and got fouled as he made the shot falling to his back. The basket was waved off and the ball was brought in out of bounds. After the Rockets missed the shot Memphis went down the court and scored, that was a 5 point turn around in favor of Memphis because of a bad call by an official. Another bad call happened when Yao Ming grabbed another offensive rebound late in the fourth quarter and got whacked on the head, as he was falling Stromile Swift put his hand on the ball and a jump ball was called. Instead of Yao Ming getting 2 free throws Swift won the jump ball and Memphis got the basket for a 4 point turn around courtesy of an officials non-call on what was clearly a foul to the head of Yao Ming . A third bad call also happened in the 4th quarter when Pau Gasol drove under the basket only to find himself face to face with Yao Ming. Yao Ming had both feet planted on the floor, was squared up to Pau with his hands up in the air outside of the restricted area and did not leave his feet. Pau shoots the ball and Yao Ming gets called for the mystery foul. A very important bad call at the end of a close game. 1. So maybe this particular Bulls fan needs to critique all of the officials calls, not just the ones that they should have made against Yao Ming. Clearly Yao Ming was the victim of very poor officiating as well. 3. Did Yao Ming play somewhat passive at times during the games? Absolutely. Did he play passive in the 4th quarter? Hell no! that is where he got about half of his rebounds and points. Yao Ming was huge in the 4th quarter even though he was consistently positioned outside the Rockets offense. This just goes to show that Yao Ming is very intelligent. He knows that he is still a Shawn Bradley foul machine waiting to happen plus he is still suffering a bit with his energy so he has been playing a bit passive during the middle quarters of games recently and turning it on in the 4th quarter. Yao Ming knows that he is not as useful to the team if he fouls out in the 3rd quarter and officials still tend to call the phantom fouls on Yao Ming simply because he is so tall. 4. Does Yao stand in the paint sometimes beyond seconds to position himself for a rebound? Well the rule does say that you can stand in the paint as long as you are with in arms reach of the person you are defending. Maybe if the Bulls fan wants to criticize a non-call he should criticize the officials for not calling an offensive 3-second penalty on the guy Yao Ming is guarding in the paint. For anything bad someone can say about Yao Ming we can say several good things about him. In a game last night that had two ROY candidates in Yao Ming and Drew Gooden is there any question who the better player is at this point? Yao Ming was a little out of sync most of the night and still scored 18 points and grabbed 15 rebounds. Drew Gooden was a complete non-factor in every sense of the word. I wonder why the Bulls fan over looked that fact? Maybe because Drew Gooden is not 7’5”?
Curry will be as good as Ming is at 23, when he's 23. No better. I'll tell you one thing though. Once Yao rests for a couple of months, and then starts a heavy training schedule to basically tone his body and gain some upper body STRENGTH, he'll be much quicker. Physically, he's awful. Stamina is not great, quickness is not good, strength is not good, and he's not toned at all... Stamina can be fixed. They'll tone him up, and make him stronger. They'll improve his lateral quickness which, along with his better prepared body, will show a noticeable improvement. Also, once he works into the shape we're talking about his leaping and timing on blocks will be much much better. I'm telling you. It's only physical improvement. If not by next season, in 2 years he'll have completed all of this. But are you seriously going to tell me that in a year or two, Curry will have as many post moves as Ming? Will he be as creative in the post? can he shoot over his opponents? Can he be a better shotblocker? Can he emulate that SWEET turnaround jumper? How about the hookshot? No way. Curry has been very disapointing this year. His rebounding and shotblocking is poor, and he still hasn't figured out how to use his size effectively in the paint. Do you think Curry will ever be as smart as Ming? Asgood a passer? Curry has a whole season of NBA fitness and skill training under his belt. Let's see if he'll, next year, be as good as Ming is this year.
[ On thing nice about Yao, and even Pau for that matter, is that they've played in championship situations, even if, in the case of yao, it was the CBA. Yao's been a pro since what? 14 or 15? His years of playing with older more experienced players in the WC's, Olympics and CBA really have made him immediately more useful (ie. NBA ready) and composed on the floor during pressure situations. This exposure that foreign players get even blow away what 4 yr college players get, let alone high schoolers. Becuase of this glaring disparity, right now it isn't even fair to compare yao with Curry or Chandler. Based on athleticism alone, I like the Bulls future with Chandler and Curry when they're 25 yrs old, rather than with a 28 yr old Ming. Though I'd probably take Pau over any of them....Pau not only has skills, but he has one thing you can't teach: ATTITUDE...something EC and YAo both need more of to succeed. Regardless, Yao can be a very good 5 with some unprecedented skills. In a league short on 5's, he could even be one of the better 5's. But to mention him in the same breath as Wilt, Jabbar, Shaq is really going overboard. [/B][/QUOTE] Yao dont match Curry and Chandler??? Bulls always sucks of their drafts in recent years. wait and see.
blahh!! blahblab blah! that was actually one of yao's worst games really. it was an assesment of talent based on a bad game. big deal. oh yeah, and i thought some of the people around here were whiners, pau is a b****! serious bidness, i was watching on league pass, and even the grizz announcers were getting pissed with all the whining that pau does. what a little p***y. he needs to get slapped!
some other posters here mentioned Yao lost his jump balls because of the bad toss by the refs. why did this bulls fan fail to see that? as for Yao playing passively, no, it's no his attitude. I recall Yao say to the Chinese media a couply times that he's aware of that he needs to get more aggressive. the only reason why he didn't show that on the court last night is I think he's been really tired. Yao's mom was quoted saying in the spurs game (again from the Chinese media) that Yao didn't jump and go for balls on several occasions where he normally does was that he was tired.
ummm, a guy who 'happened' to be going across a bull's bbs named JamalC? Crawford? I know your sig says christianson or whatever, but one of your few posts on this board is from a bulls board that is bashing Yao. I especially like how you put "Not a homer like US." lol whatever man.
I've liking all the replies until I read yours. According to your logic, Micheal Jordan is a big fan of Michael Jackson, so he changed his orginal name to become another MJ. Give me a break man, just because I posted something from Bulls fan forum which is not that friendly to Yao, doesn't mean I am a Bulls fan. I like the Bulls, and cruise on their BBS, what's the problem with that? Listen, as a rockets fan(A SEVERE ONE INDEED), I love Dynasty and Franchise to death, especially Dynasty. When I go through thousands of posts here praising Yao, I got drunk reading them, and can't stop. I found a rare post elsewhere that I don't feel comfortable with(I love Dynasty), and put it here to ask for a good discussion, what's the problem with that? Jamal Crawford? He stinks. Does that offend you my name is Jamal Christiansen?
"yao only has brief flashes of aggression. He played quite passively especially relatively to Pau." I did share the same feeling when I watch the game, and it became an increasing issue in the later part of the game..... Yao needs to be inspired more and be more aggresive and SHOW LEADERSHIP in the difficult times, as what Steve F had been doing. Regarding the jump ball, I think all the three times the ball were low and Pau got them while MIng was anticipate a higher ball. I replayed the three jump balls, and I think all three balls were played in favor of Pau in Height and Direction, Ming will gain experience and overcome this trick.
OK, I guess I should. Thank you micah1j for reminding. But it doesn't mean I can't bash and rip back though.
Hmm. You put a bulls BBS post that was basically bashing Yao after one bad game, on the cc.net bbs and just wanted to see what everyone thought of it? Sorry, that's something a troll would do...that's the problem with that. What kind of discussion do you think it would raise besides..."The author is an idiot." If we wanted to read other BBS's , don't you think we would go read them ourselves? If you love Yao so much and wanted to defend him on the Bulls BBS, then why don't you do it, just don't bring un-needed Yao bashing in here. Also, why the hell would I have a problem with your name? Your name sounds like a Bulls player, you were 'browsing' a bulls board, you're a new member here and many new members are just trolls trying to get a rise out of us...which is what you were trying to do here, was it not? What am I suppose to think?
Give the guy a break. Others copied positive stuff from other forums over to CC.net in the past, and no one b****ed about it! I'd rather read a few critiques like this from time to time than to see "YAO KICKS ASS!" (or something similar) in the forum all day.
