ClutchCity.net Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 12/13/2002

What new team play?

They took 60 shots in this game. I guess we are still very much a guard-oriented team like last year.

 

That's ridiculous. A lot of Yao's turnovers were because the players haven't gotten used to him and don't watch for the ball. Hopefully this will be fixed real soon. I'm blaming this one on Steve. He played great up until crunchtime came. Then TO, TO, stupid shot. Notice that 3 he made he was wide open because of Yao. JWill seems to always go off on Steve because Steve gets into this 1-on-1 crap and he just can't do it with the spotlight. Not alone. Please also note that Steve missed two clutch free throws, and who came in on the great offensive rebound? Yao.

 

Obviously, you are a Yao fan, not a Rox fan.

 

Are you out of your mind. How did Gasol dominated Yao? They were not evey guarding each other in the game. Gasol is guarded and KT and EG all the time. He dominated these two players maybe, but not Yao.

Ming, 36 minutes, 18 points, 15 rebounds, 7-13 FG, 4-4 FT, 3 ast, 5 fouls, 6TOs
Gasol, 42 minutes, 29 points, 12 rebounds, 7-14 FG, 15-16 FT, 2 ast, 2 fouls, 3 TOs

Gasol has better stats. But he got a lot of more touches than Ming. But that is all to do with Rockets stupid guards not getting the rock the him!

 

I never said Gasol dominated Yao. I said Gasol dominated the Rox. You are obviously a Yao fan, not a Rox fan. If the Rox win, then you credit Yao. If the Rox lose, then you blame Steve and forgive Yao. What kind of a faulty logic is that?

 

Do not even try to defend Steve. You can jump at Ming whenever you want to do. We can sit down and argure about that. I even think Ming has been hyped by you homers. But please try not to defend steve. You are not in a right position to do that because you have problably been rockets fan for a while and Homer mentality does live inside you. Just find a basketball fan who knows basketball and does not have any bit of baised opinion coming from a Homer. For example, ask a coatch who is from Eurp and never watched rockerts game. Let him watch on game and make judements just based on the play. I am not calling you out because I just talk basketball. Welcome to arguring about Yao just based on his porfermance too. Admitt the guards are stupid and selfish first. Then if you believe this is bearable and you believe they can improve by learning. That is your business and i do not give **** on that. I just make comments on what I saw!!!

 

For those of us who are more obtuse, why is that obvious?

 

GOD, YOU'RE EVEN STUPIDER THAN MASTERASIA AND BBEN12!!!
What the F*CK is wrong with you!?!?!? Steve is NOT responsible for this loss! By saying you "blame" someone for a loss is to essentially say, had they not been playing, we wouldn't have won, and I ASSURE you if Steve hadn't played, this would have been a horrifying ROUT. STOP F*CKING TRYING TO BLAME PEOPLE FOR LOSSES! The TEAM LOST, and that includes Ming and everybody else!!! And Francis right now is STILL the guy we wanna go to in the crunch. He's one of the best crunch time players in the league, and always has been, and he's STILL our best player. Maybe he made some mistakes, but like I said, without him, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME.

My GOD, Ming is not the end-all of ANY team's basketball problems. He's not god, so stop treating him like it and expecting everyone else to. It's like you attribute all of our wins to him. He's good, but he's not THAT good yet!!!

As for Ming's turnovers being because others weren't looking or some **** like that??? CRAP! BULLCRAP!!! In the words of Bill Walton, it's ALWAYS the passer's fault (I agree with him on this one). There's a reason they give those turnovers to the passer and not the receiver.

 

If a non-rox but Yao fan can point out the obvious problems and save some blind rox fans, it is constructive thing.

 

Everybody (not just me) blames Steve and KT for their stupid ISO low-IQ high-ego play at crunch time. On the other side, Ming is clearly more intelligient and team-focused.

Obvioulsy you are a Ming-hater.

 

Actually, I find it annoying that you label everyone who defends Yao's performance tonight not a Rox fan. For most of us, being a Rox fan and a Yao fan are one and the same. What's your problem with that logic?

 

If you don't like Yao,just ask Rudy to trade him for someone else ,
Ok?Someone said Yao is useless to the Rocket,they said the guys would do better without Yao.Why not trade it to Dalls for Fenly?

 

It is obvious when a poster credits Yao for wins, while blaming Steve for losses and forgiving Yao.

 

Alright, it was pretty disheartening seeing Houston lose to Memphis in OT. I mean we do have a very good team and I'm starting to believe in the team. Even if we did lose tonight, I;m sure it will open up more players eyes and losing like this will benefit them in the end. I mean we still have 60 more games to go and a lot of time to improve. I mean I would love to see them win every night but that's not going to happen but all I want is that if we lose, we lose by playing hard and by being outplay by others and not losing by our own stupid mistakes. Tonight we lost by Memphis all of an sudden by their hot shooting and some by our own not so smart play.

Steve play a good game tonight but he's going to need to slow down at the end and not get too excited. They need to stick with their game plane by putting the game ball in Yao's hand at the end and work it from there.

We are jacking up to many wild shots but at least everyone is getting their share.

 

If you read any posts here, or go to the chatroom, then you would see that many posters are annoyed with Yao fans who celebrate when Yao does well statistically, during a Rox LOSS.

Answer this: would you prefer Yao to make 6 points and the Rox win, or Yao to make 18 points and the Rox lose? If you are a true Rox fan, then you would prefer Yao score 6 points and the Rox win.

 

For the record, I just join this BBS one day ago. Can you go ahead and find a quote from me where I credited Ming for wins?

 

THANK YOU! Your explosion was justified, and I second everything you just said. Except for the fact that it's not ALWAYS the passer's fault... especially when it's the receiver who can't hang onto a perfectly fine pass. Other than that, yes it's the passer's fault.
Come on ya'll, Ming does not equal Rockets, it takes the entire team. And stop making so many excuses for Ming, those 6 to's are still 6 to's made by him. I expect Ming still did ok though. It's part of why we lost. Francis and Mobley both played well too. Tremendous in fact, given that the rest of the team didn't seem to do incredibly well. How bout Griffin eh? 5 blocks and 3 steals, wonderful! And I really think Rice should either be a) taken out of the starting lineup, b)limit his shots to AT LEAST under 10...
I'm gonna chalk up this game to missed ft's AGAIN. How many games have the rox lost due to strangely missed ft's?? Mobley missed two free throws in a row.. then Francis misses two ft's in a row.. both of which ocurred at the end or near the end of the game. Very strange...
Plenty of good things in the game though, tough loss, but ppl stop putting the blame on any one player too much.

 

At least for tonight's game, I also thought Steve messed up big time in the final minutes. 2 missed FT and 2 TO's. Sigh.

 

Yao fans are also Rox fans,we all want to see Rox to be better!
We want to see the Rox to be a great team.Today's lose is nothing,it's just 1/4 of this season!