Great post. Most of the people here think the NBA's like its association mode with trade override on. Fact is, majority of GMs HATE making deals. The more deals you make, the more chances you get screwed. Why would you take the risk on trading away player A, what if he blows up and you look stupid? For most GMs, they only make trades when the player wants out OR its for financial reasons OR they'll come out on the winning end. Harden for Dragic and Lee? Really? If you're an OKC fan are you gonna be ok with that? Both Dragic and Lee are gonna be FAs anyway, they're gonna give up a vital cog like Harden for two guys they can get later on? What if we traded Lowry for Maynor and Thabo Sefalosha? That's practically the same deal we'd be doing.
I had already said that the trade for Harden was unlikely ..... And for the record i dont think i am smarter than Morey. The trades I gave were merely some examples of how we could quickly turn our situation around. The whole post was just more of an indictment of les than anything. Do i think I am smarter than Les ?? No, but at the same time i dont think I'm smarter than Bob Mcnair either ... and it took a massive amount of fan input to finnaly get him to make his own call on hiring a Defensive coordinator and not letting Kubiak get to pick. I dont care what kinds of trades go down involving Martin and Scola as long as they bolster our position for the future. Maybe you are right and Morey doesnt think he is getting enough for Scola and Martin ... but i think that he is under the directive of Les to not trade them unless we get BETTER this year .... I feel that the majority of fans wouldnt mind trading them if it meant we could speed up the rebuilding process. All i really want to happen is for Les to know that there is a signifacant amount of fans out there who are willing, and actually want us to rebuild .... i think that if management was aware that they wouldnt loose too much of the fan base by rebuilding then we would see Martin and Scola be dealt for alot less than what everyone wants out of them ... and I'm cool with that .
God ... no one wants player to purposely kick the ball out of bounds to lose games ... I am not in favor of that and never will be . And there is a difference between making moves to get younger and just happening to lower the average age of the team . Yes we have a young team already , Yes there is great value in having veterans on the squad, But there is a difference between exchanging Brad Miller and Jonny Flynn and having 2 picks in the 2012 lottery. Morey ... has been an excellent drafter ... and recently he has been kinda blackballed in trade efforts..... teams not willing to deal with him/ stern ... Why not let the man what he does extremely well and put him in a position to add 2 possible core players... I mean you said at the beginning of your post that you didnt have time to read the trades ... read the first 2 and tell me they are not at least somewhat plausible . Morey is much better at this kind of stuff than I am ... so i feel that if Les actually wanted to begin rebuilding then Martin and Scola would be traded for decent return. The part you and i disagree on ( beside specifics ) is what management thinks of this situation .... you obviously feel that they want what is best for the future and would move scola if a decent deal came along .... I dont ... i think Les is afraid of sucking .. and that a bad year means lost fans .. I just want to get the message across that there are alot of us who dont mind sucking for a year or so ... We have one the best GMs in basketball and I fully trust him. Let him do his job and rebuild ... none of this " we feel the fans deserve to see a competitive team while we retool" crap ... because thats where you get the lost interest .. the first round blowouts, the 14th picks ... and we dont deserve that Basically you are an optimist and i am a pessimist but see a way we can be sure the front office is going the rebuilding way if fans create a big enough uproar ... And rebuilding is the right way
That's when he lost credibility? LOL. BTW OP you are horribly misinformed about the upcoming draft. You keep saying the draft is one of the deepest in recent history, but that isn't quite true. What makes this draft special is that there may be 3 franchise players in it. Outside of the top 10 however, is nothing special. In fact, many believe even the draft last year was "deeper."
Dude the whole draft is littered with high upside players.... it might not be deep in a sense of solid yet unspectacular role players in the late first but you could be picking perry jones outside the top 10 !! He has more upside than any player in last years draft . The amount of upside in the draft is outstanding. If sulliger, barnes, or jones had come out last year they would have all been top 5 picks .... Barnes and sulliger most likely going in the top 3. This year you have a chance to get them outside the top 5. That is depth in an unconventional sense. Yes it is early..... but that works both ways... its also too early to grade the last draft so all of those late first round and early 2nd round picks that look go could fizzle out.
So let me get this straight. We make these trades and end up with either of the above posted teams? Those teams would probably do just as well as the current squad? We're 7-10 in the West still (late lotto at best, or late first round) And we make those moves to free up cap space to get the below roster? Which would be a team that could finish with, say, the 7-10 seed in the West? Getting a pick from Milwaukee is highly unlikely in the scenarios you proposed (ditto Minny) - so no high lotto pick there. And the knicks pick is top 5 protected, so no high lotto there. To sum up the thread: we protest to Les so that he blows the team up in order for it to remain just the same, but a little different? I can hear Les giggling with excitement right now
The trades clear extra cap room and get something out of scola/ martin while they are still halfway decent. I dont know if they make us better or worse this year .... I dont think we are going to make the playoffs either way. But they put us in a much more flexible situation for the future and land us a good project in sanders.
I would be very, very surprised if Perry Jones slips out of the top 10. Again, the ability to choose Barnes or Sullinger outside of the top 5 is indicative of the strength at the very top of the draft. As it stands, unless NY continues to slide, I can't see how we have a legitimate shot at anyone in the top 7. And no, trading with the Bucs or Twolves will not net us a pick that high. At best, you are looking at trading your player with arguably the most perceived value in Martin for a late lottery pick. Considering San Antonio gave George Hill away for the 15th pick in last year's draft to net a mock top 10 prospect in Leanord, it would seem that Martin could give us much more, especially given the fact that 10-20 in this draft is at best equal to last year's. That is still a reach. This is not based on the play of the rookies this year, it was said by many, including Morey, before this season even started.
I always loved those people who post "needs to be locked", or "wrong forum". It's funny 'cause if the thread is so wrong why are you posting in it? lmao.
Perhaps in attempt to clean up the already cluttered Garm. Most of us come to this part of the forum for news pertaining to the Rockets. Not to sift through the increasingly popular "I'm too self indulgent to post my trade ideas in the trade idea thread with everyone else" topics.
They are rebuilding and have been for some time now. Their record just hasn't been bad enough to show it. I'm excited about seeing how some of these young players develop.
harden wont be traded okc think they can win a championship and hes an integral part but we can go after him in summer hes an rfa and okc probably wont be able to pay that much for him , so trading martin , scola this year for wtevr we get and then offering harden alot of money would be feasible , lowry-harden-patterson would be what we would have goin forward sjax would be perfect @ the 3 he plays D and can score but he is old , and dally for another year we'd be good but our ceiling would be something like 6th in the league
