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It's time to turn our attention to sugar - regulate it like alcochol

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Hightop, Feb 2, 2012.

  1. DonnyMost

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    You realize we're already subsidizing the junk food industry, right? I assume you have a problem with that kind of regulation as well. This is regulation in the other direction. A better direction, imo. If mr. responsible eater has to pay an extra buck or two for a ding dong, it ain't gonna kill him. I say the same thing to mr. responsible smoker and his cigarettes. Yeah, it is slightly unfair to you, but that's life in a society that puts value on human health. I think it's worth the cost, even if I do enjoy the occasional coke or cig.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    They ferment under pressure to carbonate during fermentation.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm not in favor of subsidizing the junk food industry and the corn lobby etc. It is a regulation in the other way, and I can see the benefit in doing it, just that I'm not necessarily in favor of this being codified as law.
     
  4. Hightop

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    And who gets to decide which is what (well besides lobbyists)? 1/3 of ketchup is sugar. Should ketchup be taxed until it is double or triple the price?

    The author also wants the business hours of grocery stores to be controlled around the government prison-schools (the ones that Obama says you shouldn't escape until you are 18). This is just insanity.

    More examples of foods that should be nanny-fied / heavily taxed and regulated:

    Dried, sweetened cranberries. Without the sweetener, this fruit can be incredibly tart. But one serving—a third of a cup—of this treat will hit you with 25 grams of added sugar.

    Baked beans. A one-cup serving of canned baked beans with no salt added will cost you nearly 15 grams of added sugar.

    BBQ sauce. A one-cup serving of this summertime favorite adds 9 grams of added sugar onto those ribs and chicken.

    "Reduced" salad dressings. A one-cup serving of reduced-calorie French dressing heaps 58 grams of added sugar, and a one-cup serving of reduced-fat coleslaw dressing hits a home run with 103 grams of added sugar.

    Granola bars. Often deemed a healthful snack, some are tricky—a 1-ounce serving of a granola bar with oats, fruit, and nuts has 11 grams of added sugar.

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  5. subtomic

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    The existence of lunch has long since been proven. Double blind studies have repeatedly demonstrated that people typically take a midday meal, which English speakers almost always refer to as "lunch". This is no liberal science conspiracy like global warming, and the government has nothing to prove.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Yeah, that's priming sugar. I don't think commercial brewereis use that.

    Edit: what casey h said.
     
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    Deleted - double post
     
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  8. DonnyMost

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    Somebody who knows a lot about human nutrition science, public policy, and preferably isn't connected monetarily to the decision.

    The rest of your post is just overblown hyperbole trying to distort what could be reasonable, responsible regulation. Such is your M.O. around here.
     
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  9. Rashmon

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    Sounds like someone doesn't want the gubmint to interfere with the pursuit of his munchies after Ron saves the world and legalizes pot.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    dangit hightop, u tarded up the thread
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    Him breaking the thread code was an excellent excuse to put him on ignore. :)
     
  12. MoonDogg

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    How is that war on cocaine working out?
     
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    TEST TEST TEST 123
     
  14. finalsbound

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    the bottom line is, we already pay rock bottom prices for our food. or at least, we spend a much lower % of our paycheck on food than any other major country. we're so used to seeing the government subsidized cr@p and store brands which are by far the cheapest and least nutritious food you can eat. there's a reason nutritionists tell you to shop only along the walls of a grocery store, and avoid the middle. most of that stuff is poison to the human body.

    maybe we've had it too good in this country? maybe we need to think again about what we're buying and the fact that by consuming sugar and refined flour in such staggeringly large amounts, we're encouraging them to lower the prices even more.

    i just think the long term effects are worth it.
     
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    CaseyH and Sam are both right, but just to be specific:

    Big breweries (typically) force carbonate their beers before or during bottling by injecting CO2 - similar to a keg setup.

    You can also ferment in the bottle with priming sugar (typically corn sugar). Home brewers who bottle do this, as do more "fancy" beers. You can note them at your local store - typically they'll advertise "bottle-fermented" and note that you should be careful not to disturb sediment at the bottom that originates from that final kick in alcohol content.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    I'm guessing the same kind of folks who decide on tobacco product taxations and regulations will handle this task. It's not like the tax code doesn't contain a million different provisions anyway.

    We are also paying a rather high % of our paycheck on health care, including for treatment of diseases related to overconsumption of the subsidized junk food. Not the subsidy money is such a great bargain.
     
  17. Hightop

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    No subsidization, no tax.
     
  18. Bandwagoner

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    uhhh, fermentation creates CO2, they just ferment under pressure. macro breweries don't go around buying co2

    force carbonation usually refers to when guys have kegs and then put it under pressure of co2
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    Almost all of them top-off in some degree because the CO2 they recover is not typically sufficient.

    But thanks once again for proving you have quite possibly the most obnoxious posting style around. :rolleyes:
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    what you said was wrong, it isn't similar at all to a keg setup. All I did was correct you.
     

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