Because chickens didn't just spring into being out of nothing. They evolved from other species over time. The first "chicken" would have come to be by some fowl laying an egg that had enough genetic differences to actually form a distinguishable gap between the previous species and the new species. Although it's a silly argument to have, because it's impossible to pinpoint when something exactly evolved into a chicken. It's like trying to pinpoint when you stopped being a child and became a young adult. Any answer that someone gives you will just be arbitrary. But the fact remains that because evolution is true, the first chicken must have started as an egg (it held DNA unique to a "chicken" at that point, not when it was fully grown). Even if pinpointing the exact moment in time among the evolutionary chain that chickens came into existence is a futile effort.
As a big proponent of homeschooling or private schooling and the separation of school and state, this is saddening.
Do you mean factual? If so, I still don't see the difference. If folks believe the literal/factual Book of Genesis, they will believe it if it is poetry form or non-poetry form. If they don't believe it, it still doesn't matter.
The bolded part proves my point, the rest of it is circular reasoning, the first chicken egg had to be laid by a chicken. Study your genetics, logical thought would state that a chicken laid the first chicken egg.
I keep reading the title as a poorly worded "who's on first" - which changes my expectations of this thread
No, it doesn't. It disproves all points and makes the question moot. At least from a theological standpoint (which is sometimes the spirit in which this question is asked). From a scientific standpoint, however... You realize the question was chicken or egg, right? Not chicken or chicken egg. Even if you wanted to operate under the false assumption of chicken vs. chicken egg... the cold truth of the matter is the DNA that separated the species into "chicken" was there in egg form before it was there in adult form, this is true for all species. The only way this cannot be true is if chicken sprang into existence garden of eden style. Which we absolutely know is not true. In essence, it sounds like you're trying to say that even though the DNA of the egg was Chicken DNA, simply because it came from Fowl X is wasn't a chicken egg? That kind of ignores the fact that species is determined by DNA, and not by what gave birth to it. Now, if you wanted to argue semantics, such as "Chicken egg vs. Chicken's egg"... then you might have something. Indeed, the first chicken's egg must have came after the chicken.
....and you guys need to keep your religious dogma out of this scientific debate . My research strongly supports the Egg. Eggs for breakfast, chicken for dinner. Breakfast before dinner. I'll continue my research tonight.
I think some of things here aren't making sense. If it was written as poem, and never ever intended to be literal, then taking it literally and denying it was poetry is going against the original intent of the author of Genesis. Yes some people will still take it literally, and they are certainly entitled to. I agree that it doesn't matter. They can believe what they want. I was just pointing out that when people read poetry they should read it differently than when they read expository text if they want the best possible comprehension of what they are reading.
DonnyMost, you realize I am joking with you, just because you know all doesn't mean I have to know all, I absolutely know less than you do at least by your own admission. Relax, Anyone who tells you that Fowl X (in your example) wasn't a chicken is a liar and doesn't understand evolution at all. Because these things happened very gradually over 100's of millions of years, so Fowl X would be obviously classified today as Gallus domesticus, that is how Fowl X would hatch a Gallus domesticus. I think the point you are arguing is Fowl X produced the egg that eventually produced the chicken, you just are not sure when that happened and you can't prove absolutely that it happened except by saying 'evolution is absolutely true.'
I have been away so long I forgot how fun D&D is at times. Which came first God or man? Did God create man or did man create God? Which came first Jesus or Christian sects? Did Jesus precede Christian sects or did Christian sects create Jesus? A few more pointed questions I have been asked.
Noted. And it should be noted in return that I'm very interested to share knowledge on the subject with you
Struck a nerve in you? Act like a lady and you will be treated like one or are you incapable of being one? BTW- Barry's koolaid seems to hit the female population just as hard!
Thanks, if I can think of something you might not know I will share it back, at the moment I concede to you.
