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Frances attibutes win over Spurs to free-throw shooting!?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by solid, Dec 4, 2002.

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  1. Blatz

    Blatz Member

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    Okay Steve said Yao was doing well at scoring, but the quote I read said he was doing great. Yet you turn it in to something to make it seem like he was upset that he was not the high scorer.
    When he says something about free throws being the differance in the game, again Steve is upset. I don't get it. How can you read so much in to a single quote. It is like some of you are hopeing for fall out between Steve and Yao.

    I posted the quote in another thread but I'll post it again.

    "I think if you really look at the past, when we have played against San Antonio, I think Kenny has done a good job against Tim Duncan. Tim is also an All-Star and when you double-team him he is a smart enough player to know when to pass the ball out of the double-team. Yao is doing a great job of scoring when we get the ball to him."

    Blatz
     
  2. brocktoon

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    Post Game Quotes from nba.com

    ROCKETS COACH RUDY TOMJANOVICH

    On the keys to the win:
    "Obviously, a very good game. Defense carried us. We did a good job of going one-on-one with those guys, making them work and sort of breaking their rhythm and defending the three-point line. Our big guys, Mo (Maurice Taylor), Kenny (Thomas) and Eddie (Griffin) did a great job of hanging in there with Duncan.”


    No mention of Ming's stellar performance against two of the elite big men in the game. Odd.
     
  3. TraJ

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    We hit our free throws (17 of 18), San Antonio didn't (24 of 35). It obviously wasn't the only difference in the game, but it did help some. If the percentages were reversed, the game may have at least gone into overtime.
     
  4. Blatz

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    Yep you got it. Rudy also doesn't want Yao on the team.:rolleyes:

    This thread is stupid.

    Blatz
     
  5. RocksMillenium

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    Whoknows, There are people convinced that Cat is jealous of Francis and that Francis is jealous of Ming it's like people want tension or something. I mean people will twist anything to make it seem like the team is jealous of Ming. Francis doesn't jump up and down during an interview, he must be subdued because Ming is the man on the team. Francis is sitting on the floor after a play, he must be jealous of Ming. The players don't rave about Ming, they must be jealous of him. Francis and Mobley have had huge games and you don't hear guys rave about the game. You can't talk up a player all the time. I mean only in some posts on the BBS have I heard people talk about tension between Francis and Mobley and Ming. Everywhere else, Rockets included, they have talked about how they have gotten along well, and the team is improving. I mean if Francis is so jealous of Ming why has he helped Ming figure out his spots on the floor, actually doing so during actual games? Of course Francis is happy about winning, what is Francis supposed to do run out to mid court hold up his hands and yell and scream about beating the Spurs!?
     
  6. kountzer

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    That's the best quote I've seen in awhile.

    Thank you.

    ~ kountzer ~
     
  7. haven

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    I think it's difficult to argue that Steve has shown absolutely no antipathy to Yao's possible emergence as the more valuable player on the Rockets. He really doesn't like giving the ball to Yao as a first option, and he doesn't talk about him all that much either. It was ok, before Yao started threatening Steve's status. Steve wanted to be Reggie to Yao's Rik... but it looks like Yao might be Shaq to Steve's Kobe... and I really think he dislikes that.

    However, it's also difficult to argue that Steve isn't, at this moment, still the more valuable of the two on a monthly basis.

    It's even harder to claim that Steve won't be able to adjust. Perhaps he won't - but he did manage to submerge his game nicely at Maryland. No reason to think he won't be able to do that again...
     
  8. Fegwu

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    In as much as I have bashed Steve of late, this much I can vouch for him (based on my knowledge of him from his breakout year at Maryland) - STEVE IS NOT AN ENVIOUS PERSON. It is just (unfortunately) taking him a while longer than others to get with program (YAO) and comprehend the phenomenon that is YAO.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    I think some of you guys are out of your minds. Ming is still a rookie, an excellent rookie, but still a rookie who is learning the speed of the NBA and the physicalness of it. First of all, giving Yao the ball 20 times doesn't equal an automatic win. His biggest game came against Dallas, what a glorius victory that was. . . wait, we lost that game. Ming went off on Bradley because he is far superior to Bradley and there's no reason why he can't abuse his sorry ass. We lost that game because other guys didn't come through in some way. Like Cuttino having a bad shooting night that game, had he been playing like he normally does, that could have been a win. In the Spurs game, Ming went against 2 future hall of famers and had a great game. That's Ming going above and beyond and helping us win. Francis taking Parker to school should be a given. Anyways, stop reading into every little thing and making up false stories about problems with this team.:p

    I'll tell you why Francis doesn't look happy, he hasn't been shooting well lately. How pissed would you be if your jumpers weren't falling and your layups weren't dropping? Also, he had like 8 TOs in that game. I'm pretty sure that frustrates Francis more than it does the fans. Here's what you guys sound like to the rest of us:


    thinksheknowsitallfan74: Man, did you see that scowl Francis made when he had a migraine? I'm pretty sure he hates Yao Ming and only wants score and be an MVP.


    MingFORkinG_81: I agree, it's obvious he is jelous. When you have a migraine it's because you are jelous and a ball hog. Mineares's disease is not even real, they just made it up to hide the fact that Francis should be a 2 guard.



    Hiimchinese79: Francis is capitalist pig who doesn't understand that there is no "me wants to scores all points" in T-E-A-M:mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  10. solid

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    This board is about discussion not agreement, right? It is about talking Rockets, their ups and downs, their wins, their losses. The team's strategy or lack thereof, the players as individuals and their relationships to each other. In other words, any and everything about the Rockets is a valid thread topic, right?

    I thought it was ODD that Frances didn't seem more excited about the win. I was ecstatic, and I didn't play. I don't know Steve Frances personally, I rely on the public venue for information, like most of you. I don't know what he is thinking that is why interviews are interesting. Unfortunately, T.V. sports only gives an excerpt from the interview. That is what I reported, everyone is welcome to their own interpretation. Some see a deeper meaning, some see nothing. Fine. Why do we have to be so unpleasant with each other when we don't agree? I try to think that each of you is a friend who is in my living room talking sports. Anonymity should not be a pretext for rudeness. Don't you agree?
     
  11. SA Rocket

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    Uhhhhh, I dunno, maybe he was just exhausted. I believe he played all 48 minutes. It was late, he drove the lane, ended up on the floor, took time to reflect on the comeback as Spurs called timeout. My impression was that he was tired AND satisfied all at once. Oh, and how about helping him get up, then run off to celebrate on the way to the bench. ;)
     
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    did u watch all these games???
    how the hell do u know if yao didnt get the ball??
    he just didnt shoot the ball
     
  13. montgo

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    very well put Solid. while i disagree with the notion that Steve has this secret jealousy of Yao and will not allow Yao to have the spotlight; thereby, jeopardizing the team, i do think you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how lame I think it is :)

    let's not be critical of the messenger, rather the actual thought!

    can't we all just get a long :confused:
     
  14. solid

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    Montgo, Now we know who you are: Rodney King!:D
     
  15. kountzer

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    I didn't see the game or the post game interviews, however.

    We, the fans and media put this guy on a verbal pedestal by nicknaming him 'The Franchise', and 'Stevie Franchise'. Now, and the new star rookie is emerging, all the microphones are switching over to Yao. Steve is only human. Pro athletes have feelings and emotions also. See Kobe and Shaq. Everyone expects them to respond like robots, just roll out the ball, turn on the camera and mike, and presto! you see and hear perfection.

    Just like you all get bent out of shape when your spouse or significant other squeezes the tube of toothpaste the wrong way, or leaves the seat to the loo up, or down.
     
  16. A-Franchise

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    Oh Gosh everyone is looking past a comment that was probably not even ment the way people are making it mean and think that Steve is jealous of Yao and i trully dont think that none of that jealousy stuff is going on! lets give them some time to get acquainted with each other! you know this is only Yao's 17th game in the NBA lets give both Steve and the team time to get used to having a BIG guy down low! And please lets all try to get get along we do have a winning record!:p
     
  17. solid

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    Kountzer, I agree. Frances and Ming probably like each other personally as some have suggested, but I sense there is another dynamic going on and it is very understandable. But once Frances understands that Ming is his ticket to the playoffs and beyond, that Ming can open up scoring opportunities that he has only previously dreamed of, then the Rockets will really be cooking with gas.
     
  18. Panda

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    Jealousy is natural under the circumstance, it matters how SF adjusts. It's a turning point in SF's career now. Either he wants to follow the path of Magic Johnson, or the path of Stephon Marbury.
     
  19. gram!

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    wow, yall just don't stop, do yall?

    you all are making these grandiose assesments on the chemestry of this team based on what?
    nothing, nothing at all, just your preconcieved ideas about what kind of person steve francis is. so it really is pointless isn't it? all these threads are just more of the same. a bunch of know-it-all fools that have nothing better to do, than speculate.

    why can't we all just be happy that the roxs beat a pretty damn good spurs team that has whooped us since, like, the 70's?
     
  20. Michael19P

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    Personally, I don't think there is any tension between Yao and Steve. However, if there is, I think it would be a huge mistake for steve. Not only would it destroy chemistry, but it would definitely be unilateral. Yao would never get in a media back and forth war with anyone (even his critics early in the season)...he is definitely not going to say anything about steve or seems unhappy. Any tension or jealousy steve has towards ming is simply going to get him branded as one of those players with a bad attitude.

    Again, I think there is nothing to worry about, but i hope steve realizes the implications for himself and the team if he does harbor these feelings
     

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