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Rate the best Pick n Roll big men and point guards in the league

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jopatmc, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    Rate them individually on both ends of the floor not as teammates:

    OFFENSE BIGS running PnR
    1. Amare
    2. Griffin
    3. Chandler
    4. Dwight
    5. Deandre
    6. Jevale


    DEFENSE BIGS defending the PnR
    1. Dwight
    2. Bogut
    3. Horford
    4. Deandre
    5. Jevale


    Offense point guards running PnR
    1. Paul
    2. Nash
    3. Rubio
    4. DWill
    5. Rondo (they really don't run PnR that I know of)

    Defense point guards defending against PnR
    1. Rondo
    2. Lowry
    3. Paul
    4. Rubio
    5. DWill


    My picks aren't absolutes by any means. I don't have Rose on this list. It appears to me that their bigs mostly pick and pop to get out of the way for his drives and finishes. I'd like to see what some of you think and why.
     
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  2. Bill Worrell

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    Offense point guards running PnR
    1.D.Will
    2.Paul
    3.Curry
    4.Jennings..............Thats my boy!
    5.Nash
    6.Lowry
     
    #2 Bill Worrell, Jan 24, 2012
  3. jopatmc

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    I don't see our team hardly ever running the PnR. We run PnP with Scola and PPat. Why do you have Lowry in there?
     
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  4. VBG

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    He has Lowry as a good PnR defender.


    I would say Dwight offensively and defensively is teh best with the pick and roll. The entire Magic offense flows through the PnR with Dwight even though Nelson is a meh PG and Hedo is aging.
     
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    More like Pick 'n Pop with Scola. Scola rarely roll
     
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  6. jopatmc

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    Bill Worrell has Lowry as a good offensive point guard for PnR.
     
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  7. dharocks

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    Offense:

    Initiators:
    Chris Paul
    Steve Nash
    Deron Williams
    Andre Miller
    JJ Barea

    Finishers:
    Amare Stoudemire
    Blake Griffin
    Dwight Howard
    Dirk Nowitzki (most versatile imo)
    David Lee

    Tyson Chandler would make my list if he didn't set so many illegal screens

    Defense:

    Guards:
    Tony Allen
    Rajon Rondo
    Jrue Holiday
    Kyle Lowry
    Kirk Hinrich

    Bigs:
    Joakim Noah
    Dwight Howard
    Kendrick Perkins
    Kevin Garnett
    DeSagana Diop
     
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    Still Nash and Stat
     
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  9. jopatmc

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    Yeah, I understand Andre Miller. He's very savvy. Good defensively too.

    I like your list for the most part, dharocks. Not sure I understand the Diop pick on defense.
     
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  10. dharocks

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    It's about the only thing he's good at, or at least used to be good at. I guess he doesn't get enough playing time nowadays to make an educated conclusion, but I was struggling to come up with a 5th guy.
     
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  11. bread and budin

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    Why did everyone already forget about how torched we got by Tony Parker with 48 minutes of Pick n Roll a few days ago?

    He needs to be near the top of all those lists
     
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  12. jopatmc

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    yes, he does.
     
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    Bigs Offense
    1. Amare
    2. Aldridge
    3. Griffin
    4. Dirk
    5. Dwight

    Bigs def
    1. Noah
    2. Dwight
    3. KG
    4. Horford
    5. Bogut

    PG offense
    1. Paul
    2. Nash
    3. Deron Williams
    4. Parker
    5. Rose

    PG Def
    1. Rondo
    2. Lowry
    3. Westbrook
    4. Paul
    5. Holiday
     
    #13 DaFranchise03, Jan 24, 2012
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    PG Offense has to be Steve Nash.
     
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    *Fixed*, you had Rubio, twice, sweetie.
     
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    Thanks Pluto
     
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    Don't mention it.
     
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    Biggest problem i have is including Deandre Jordan's name on both offense and defense list. He's maybe around 10. Seen enough games to know that he's just a good help defender who like his team just blocks shots for highlights but not to gain the possession of the ball.
     
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  19. jopatmc

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    I threw him on there just to have a list so you guys knew what I was after. I didn't really think it through, was just one of the guys that came to my mind first since he can throw it down so good. I don't have any quibbles with anybody rearranging my list.

    The reason I made this thread was to see if I could get some thoughts on Deron and Dwight playing in tandem. Personally, I feel that the combination of those two guys....or Dwight and Paul....or Dwight and Rose for that matter, would be a very devastating championship winning combination on both ends of the floor because of their savvy on both ends of the floor in running and defending the basic PnR. Whoever gets Dwight and pairs him with a premier point guard that can run PnR, and can score in addition to throwing the lob and finding guys, in my opinion, has the best chance to dominate the league over the next 5-8 years because of the inside outside balance to their games. Personally, I would take a pairing of Dwight and DWill or Paul or Rose over any other pair in the league, including Lebron/Wade.

    The pick and roll is the most basic of basketball plays...yet it is one of the single most effective offensive plays (if not the single most effective offensive play) ever ran. (In my opinion, the PnR IS far and away the single most effective offensive play that a team can run.) And defending the pick and roll is a premium defensive skillset in the NBA, simply because everybody knows how successful the pick and roll game is and almost every team in the league tries to run the play a substantial number of times during the game.

    So, in my crude way of thinking, if you can combine a point and a big that are great at running the PnR, that can also defend the PnR very effectively, and the point guard can shoot the 3 and has a good jump shooting game to go with his drive/finish game, then you have the best chance for winning most often.
     
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  20. Juck_The_Fazz

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    derek fisher and brian cook no brainer
     
    #20 Juck_The_Fazz, Jan 24, 2012
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