Why do you keep pounding this no 20 decent shots...don't insult NBA defenses stuff in this thread? There are a lot of players that shoot more than 20 times a game, though not at 60%. Can you define what a decent shot is? Is it Open? How many times has Yao shot the ball when he was open this year? Not many. He usually has someone in his face or on his back. I figured his height advantage would allow him to get good shots off most of the time, hell, he shot a fadeaway over the outstretched arm of Shawn Bradley...how much more difficult can NBA defenses get? Why don't you just say the truth...Yao will not get 20 'decent' shots because he won't play enough minutes and the others won't pass him the ball. That sounds more realistic than "NBA defenses won't let someone shoot 20 times 'decently' in a game." ...I'm sorry if I just insulted NBA defenses...no harm was meant.
<i> Why do you keep pounding this no 20 decent shots...don't insult NBA defenses stuff in this thread? There are a lot of players that shoot more than 20 times a game, though not at 60%. </i> SRF, I am in favor of more touches as we all are. imo, the only offense Yao can run *this year* that has him touch the ball every time sounds like a Drop It To Hakeem/Jabbar offense that results in half the team staring at him, and his passing becoming more and more difficult as team defenses lock into his passing lanes. Jabbar was a good passer at 7'2", with the most unblockable shot *ever*, a 57% shooter, and even he missed the playoffs in his prime with a predictable offense, *and* against no zones. Yao just doesn't look like he can beat smothering zones at a high % yet, and it is just too simple to say all doubles or collapsing zones means someone is readily open for more than a 3 pointer. Let's go for an even better offense, not exclusively Dump It To Hakeem and shot 3s....what a waste of Francis that would be. Severe Rockets Fan, As for the stats, look it up, there are only two PFs/C getting 20 shots per game. As for what a decent shot is, it is a shot that Yao would take versus pass, just like how Duncan and Garnett (two great fundamentally smart players/passers), have serious height advantages at PF and defer to their teammates better shots for only 17 shots per game.
The point is................... Yao needs more touches, not less. End of story. If anyone here thinks he needs less touches than he is getting right now, then you just don't know b-ball. I think it's hillarious that 4 years ago, everyone was griping about the boring dump it down to the post offense, if the double comes, throw it around the horn for a 3, if the double doesn't come let hakeem or chuck take it to the rack. Now, for the last year and a half everybody has been griping about the dribble the clock down, isolation offense we've been running. I said when the Rockets started going away from the post game because they didn't have any post presence that we would miss the post offense and someday wish we had it back. That was when everybody was screaming and hollering for Stevie to be able to take 30 shots a game. Well, guess what. Basketball is still basketball. And classic basketball requires good post play. The Bulls teams were anamolies. But everyone has been sucked into trying to model their play after those teams. We need the post offense so bad it ain't even funny. And for those of you who are Rudy criticizers, he knows we need the post offense, and he is doing his best to get Stevie, Cat, Moochie and everybody else to blend their skills for the better of the team. When them guys decide to accept that Yao is a playa with their actions, not just their words, and they truly embrace him as a teammate, this team will start clicking. The ball should be in Stevie and Yao's hands primarily with everyone else feeding off them. It will happen, hopefully it will happen with this group. But if it doesn't, Rudy and CD will move out the players that won't cooperate and find those that will. Go ROCKS, WOW YAO
HP is arguing semantics. The title of this thread is "GET YAO THE DAMNED BALL" In one post, Axeman said he should get 20 shots a game, and put an equation to show how many points that would be at 66%. There really is no argument here, at all....just a lot of blathering. We all agree Yao needs the "Damned Ball"...so let's end it here. DaDakota
DaDa ...you know better than this. There will be a "Yao needs more touches" or a "Yao needs to be the focal point of the offense" thread before tonights game is even over. Its never over!
Man, you don't know anything about Yao. He was trained not to shoot unless he is pretty much sure he can make it. His 70%+ shooting percentage in CBA includes almost half of 17ft+ jump shots, and some 3pts, too. What's your base of his shooting % will come down with more shots? His % will only get better with better conditioning, which will come with time. Shut your f**k mouth up if you know nother about what you are talking about. Where the f**k did you get your idea on this 5'9" Chinese guys? You can barely find any PG under 6'2" in CBA these days. Besides, CBA is not just for Chinese players. There are many former/current NBA players, Eupean Pro players, too
Since we all agree he needs the ball, and the thread turned to a statistical correction, what is the big deal. Further, can't we at least talk about the ramifications of 20 shots from the wing. I mean, this thread is about a fully agreed topic from many previous threads. Nobody disagree with the title, just how you go about doing it. Notice how <b>jopatmc</b> chimed in to say "I told you all" that we would miss Hakeems Dump it in offense. That is what I meant in my opening post here about how the <b>caveman's</b> will come in to argue with the jopatmc's about how the Dump It In sucks or doesn't suck. If we move to a dump it to yao on every possession, what will we get??? We drifted to a statistical argument, almost off the bat, and since all the people who said 60% on 20 shots or 55% on 20 shots should be our goal have all backed off that demand, how about talking about whether you want the described offense or not. <b>How about we return to the ramifications of passing to the wing post position on every possession.</b> imo, Yao needs more touches, but running all possessions through a wing post positions is a mistake this year. We didn't do that against Dallas. That was guard penetration and motion. We did not go through Yao all the time. We mixed it with motion to make the defense lose him and get an pass to Yao at the rim. That was the Dallas game. That's what I want...not this Dump It To Yao that Axeman described.
Yao does get the ball. What are you people talkin about. If he gets 30pts in a game i believe that means he is getting the ball
LOL...You dont remember your own posts? OK..which is it, do you want ppl to call you an ass or not? Seriously...We are gonna have to just agree to disagree on this one. I *believe* that YM can shoot at his high percentage no matter how many shots he takes. There is no logic in it other than me thinkin that he has such a sweet stroke that no matter where on the floor he is shooting from, he will hit. If he doesnt think he can hit, he will pass...he's just that smart. Take tonite for example. He took 18 shots..hit what? about 55%? but this was with some really tall players on him. He wont see that in 80% of the games this year...In most games he will have clearer shots because the teams dont have anyone to really match up with him. Geeze, that almost makes ur argument make sense... Ok I will concede that with good D on him, he will only shoot 55%...but in most games..he will shoot 70% or higher because they dont have anyone to guard him.
Seriously, after the Spurs game tonight, is there any doubt that the offense should be run through Ming. NO! If the Rockets can't see that, if the fans can't see that, if Les, Carol, and Rudy can't see that THEN THEY CAN'T SEE AN ELEPHANT IN A CLOSET! My Word people!
I don't see why Yao might not eventually have a higher FG % than O'Neal. He's not quite as quick or heavy, but he's taller and has a real, live jump shot. And he's a better passer, which makes double teams more risky. I don't think it's out of the question that his post/outside game could one day average 17 shots on 60% shooting.
Ming is great, but I still think Francis is our man for the next... while. His supporters have quieted recently because of Francis' shooting as of late, but mark my words: he WILL be back. No way he'll stay quiet for too long. When it happens, add in Mobley's return, this team's a black-hole-like-gravitational caliber force to be a reckoned with.
By the end of the season 2/3 of the half court offense should go thru Yao. Francis & Mobley's penetration & team motion accounting for the other third. Francis & Mobley need to learn how to run the break off all these blocks. That's when the offense should be theirs primarily.
