What kind of bet is that?? Does anyone on the planet not believe this?? Yao will pass the ball as much as Duncan and Garnett...and they get to touch the ball nearly every trip...they both have range. If Duncan and Garnett only see 17 shots they like versus passing, I don't see how we expect or even want Yao to take 20 shots. That will be forcing it (versus passing) and his %production will drop and his inside moves will suffer as he passes less. It will take a high octane offense like the Kings to produce 20 decent shot by Yao. Dumping It To Yao will not produce that type of offense. We don't want that offense exclusive enough to make Yao take 20 shots...and it would be *making* him take them, beyond his game.
Oh, and Shaq isn't. and Duncan with a 3 inch advantage every game and smarter than Yao right now, is not different than the rest of the league. Garnett with a 4-5 inch advantage nearly every game takes only 17 shots, and he isn't different. Nowitzki is the best pure shooter in the league at 7' with a 3-5 inch height advantage on a run and gun team and he is shooting 44%, and he isn't different that anyone else. i n c o n c e i v a b l e lol!! You see: you don't even believe the thread author's projections. Do you? Thank you for coming back down to reality. 60% on 15 shots is more reality. Much different than 66% on 20 shots, don't you think? Thanks for staying on topic. I love the way you can make a statistical and historical argument, then people tell you you are wrong by changing the debate parameters.
I mainly agree with heypartner, and I don't see what the argument here is. Everyone wants Yao to get more touches, and everyone agrees that he can shoot the rock. If he forces his shots a lot, his percentage will certainly drop off, unless you believe he is from Bizarro Superman world, so that the more awkward his shot selection, the more he makes... (imagine Iverson on that planet). All that being said, maybe where I disagree with heypartner is that I think this guy has a much, much sweeter natural touch than Garnett, Shaq, and even Duncan. If we get him good opportunities, I really believe he could shoot near 60% with between 10 and 15 shots per game. I don't think this disrespects NBA defenses, but merely disrespects people who are 8-inches shorter than this guy. But we shouldn't quibble about a few % points in very hypothetical scenarios. edit: just saw heypartner's most recent post, so we're all closer to the same page, I think.
So you believe he can easily shoot a better % than Duncan, Garnett etc based on his size and skill but you find it impossible for him to get a couple more shots a game than those guys with those same advantages? I find it unlikely but wouldn't dismiss it as impossible. I never said I wanted him shooting 20 shots a night or that he would continue to shoot 66% if he took that many. I said Yao needs to touch the ball much more than he has here recently. Only good things can happen for the other Rockets on the court if Yao demands a double or triple team to stop him. Given that I stillt think I'd rather see Yao take 15 good shots and 5 bad shots than see Cat and Moochie dribble the shot clock away then crank up bad shots from outside. I'd rather have my bad shots taken from the paint by the big man where at least we have a chance at some free throws.
heypee: i will gladly concede the 20 shots @ 66% argument. that said, i still want the ball in yao ming's hands EVERY TIME DOWN COURT that he is in the game (preferably 35 mpg). do you agree?
Heck, he's been saying something similar to that that ever since we drafted Yao....C'mon, you should know by now how hardheaded HP is. I'm not sure about him touching the ball every time down the court, though. He should definitely get touches on 85-90% of our possessions, but if somebody is on fire, you have to feed them until they cool off
VooDooPope Are you following our discussion at all. It is a silly bet, because Yao only needs to make 300 shots to qualify for League Leader, which would be work out to be way less than 10 shots per game at 58%. If Yao makes only 300 shots, only a fool would bet against him leading the league in FG%. <i>So you believe he can easily shoot a better % than Duncan</i> Dude, Yao would have to double his shot production to match Duncan, and he would have to shoot 13% *more* than Duncan to lead the league. 17 shots per game at 58% is a much more interesting bet....but that is far, far away from Axeman's 66% on 20 shots. What was your bet?
how dare you... rule no. 1: never agree with heypartner This has become one of these typical funny threads where heypartner is telling other posters "they are not following the discussion", "they are missing the point", they need to "stay on topic". Lame attempt at trying to dictate what the discussion is. Yes, okay, heypartner, so he will probably not get 20 shots and if he gets 20 shots, he will not shoot 66 %. You made an outstanding point. So what. I agree with what ROXTIXA said and what I think was also the point of the thread starter - just give him the ball more and let him take some more shots. Can't we all just agree on that, please. Thank you.
I agree! I agree with him! I agree with both of them! OH, we are the buddy bears, we always get along We laugh, we do a little dance, and sing a little song If you ever disagree, it means that you are wrong Oh, we are the buddy bears, we always get along! Oh my gawd, I actually remember that...I am SUCH a dork...
True, I've already stated... "20 good shots a game is a bit of a stretch, I'll give you that, especially when the zone defenses make it much harder to get the ball into the low post with out at least a double team. But from what I've seen Yao needs to touch the ball much more than he has here recently. Only good things can happen for the other Rockets on the court if Yao demands a double or triple team to stop him." I only proposed the FG% bet because it sounded like you thought if he got more touches his % would drop and he wouldn't be as proficient as he currently is. Now I realize you believe (rightfully so) that as the number of his shots goes up his % would drop, but he won't take enough shots for his % to drop below leading the league and the number to qualify for league leader is so small there is almost no way he won't qualify. <i>17 shots per game at 58% is a much more interesting bet.</i> I'd be willing to revisit this next year after the offense is designed to get Yao the ball in position to score or make the defense pay for the double or triple team. I'd still stand by this statement though... <i>"Given that I stillt think I'd rather see Yao take 15 good shots and 5 bad shots than see Cat and Moochie dribble the shot clock away then crank up bad shots from outside. I'd rather have my bad shots taken from the paint by the big man where at least we have a chance at some free throws." </i>
This has become one of these typical Sir Jackie Chiles attempts to butt into other people's conversation. I wasn't bossing around a thread, and you know it...I was also responding to direct questions that misinterpreted my statistical take. Do you really mind? Really SJC, do you really mind? Just have a take on the topic, or quit butting in. How, and thanks for your typical "I agree."
The last "hip" post "Just give Rice the damn ball" was one which I started. If you remember it was in reference to a reporter asking Rice why Yao doesn't receive the ball more. His response was that if the guards didn't start giving it up he would start demanding it.
no the point is GIVE YAO THE DAMN BALL. lets face it YAO is our best player. you just dont realize it yet. let him get used ot this league. he can put up 34 points and 14 rebounds a night in this league. and he will in time.
If you are going to the game tonight, are you going to shout and demand the guards to pass the ball to Yao? I think that's the thing we should do.
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