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It's time to fire Morey

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by b2bizchina, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Don FakeFan

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    It is well known that McHale was the best GM. He drafted Garnet, traded for Love and Rubio. TWolves are set for 20 years because of McHale.

    Now, Morey is McHale's boss. Enough said. Morey is the best GM ever.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    The Players not liking the no-extension policy is completely ridiculous. Players that go into restricted free agency with the Rockets get the maximum amount that OTHER TEAMS are willing to pay. If the restricted free agent is angry at anyone it should be their Agent whose job it is to get the largest deal available. Its their job to sell their client on the open market.

    They never miss a paycheck. I can understand the stress it can cause players like Lowry, Landry, etc. when they were going to go into free agency on what was going to happen. Unknown paychecks are not something to tread lightly on. I for one, understand the stress there completely.

    Restricted free agency after your rookie contract is the best overall option because you pay market value and you recieve market value for what you earn. Ask Mark Gasol or Deandre Jordan if they are complaining about restricted free agency. Lowry, after his rookie deal did very well because he earned that amount even coming from a backup role.

    As for veteran players not getting extended... Well sorry to hurt your feelings, but guys like Battier and Hayes had to realize the state of the Rockets. They are rebuilding, why in the world would you expect them to extend your contract???

    I agree that Morey is more CFO than CEO, but despite his subdued and nerdy personality, even as a fan, I see him going out of his way to maintain a positive relationship with the players on a personal level. I guess its just a difference of opinions here because the only people who know for sure how well he treats the players are the players themselves. And guess what, thats not you and me.
     
  3. flamingdts

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    So your 3 points are dumb, dumber, and dumbest? Or am I just not detecting sarcasm?

    First point: You must be on the DD fan boat if you're calling Lowry a career backup. Lowry's break out season happened LAST YEAR. And he's still improving this year. He is averaging 15/10/6/2. Those aren't "decent role player stats".

    And no he is no Lebron, one Lebron occurred in the last 20 years so I don't expect Morey to acquire Lebron.

    Scola is a decent role player? You mean the FIBA MVP who averaged 18/8 last season? So what is the definition of a good role player to you?

    Pau Gasol a decent role player? Is Chris Bosh a decent role player now as well?
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's true - it is bizarre to refer to people as "assets". It just sounds bad. But like I said, I don't think that's the crux of our problems.

    We're going through a transitional phase, and it always is going to lead to discontentment. No player complained or seemed unhappy during the 22 game winning streak.

    I think a lot of this comes with losing and without the promise of new stars leading us to a better future. Let's face it, usually we have more optimism, and I am sure the players are feeling it even more so.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Chemistry is a fickle thing, it is great when you have it, but often times it is hanging by a thread.

    The trade that did not go through really hurts our chemistry, and I doubt KMart gives two pennies for what DM thinks or says anymore, and probably Scola as well.

    Ultimately this is Morey's team everyone acquired was done so under him, so if it is not going so well, the buck stops with him.

    DD
     
  6. RedStaag

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    Lowry- career backup in Memphis, career backup in Houston until Aaron Brooks got trade. Are you ****ing dumb or you can't read and comprehend at the same time

    Scola is a decent role player in the NBA, this is not Fifa. You are one of the few homers that overvalue your local players. You probably think Orlando should trade Dwight for Scola straight up. But I'm sure you noticed that it took scola, martin, dragic and a pick to get Pau- that should show you his value in the NBA.

    Pau Gasol is a role player. He is not the star, he's playing a role to complement the star player. Be careful about your points before you call other people dumb
     
  7. RedStaag

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    meant fiba, not fifa
     
  8. LosPollosHermanos

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    leave it to our fans to overrate our players to the point they have to be delusional.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Wounds heal. What may be true today may not be in a month or so. There's a lot of factors that go into it, and while that trade may have left a bad taste in Scola and Martin's mouth, they will get over it.
     
  10. GATER

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    What part of taking a gamble on McGradys' back and banking that Battier was the difference between the Rockets and then Spurs are you so mightily struggling with?

    Suggest you take a HS course in reading comprehension.

    As far as "assets" for Gasol? That assumes Morey and you regard Kwame Brown's near max contract as an asset. The Morey Rockets will NEVER have a contract of that magnitude that can be dumped. That's a fundatation of $Ball.

    The Morey Rockets will ALWAYS be a #8-10 seed in the WC.
     
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    Bosh is actually asserting himself...without the other two....... Gasol is just playing hurt or he is hurt mentally
     
  12. rpr52121

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    Your acting as if this is the finished building, when in reality they have redrawn the building plans a couple times, put up a make-shift structure, had a tornado whip through construction and seen a freak sinkhole destroy a freshly lain foundation.
     
  13. HillBoy

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    I agree. But I don't think you can completely give Morey a free pass for the past 5 years simply because Yao & TMac broke down. As a competent GM Morey had to see what was happening - that it wasn't going to work and basically did nothing more than follow the flawed script (build a team around Yao/Tmac) that was left behind by Dawson.

    Now I see others justify this by saying that he's only been doing what Les has allowed him to do - that Les and the organization looked at Yao as a money tree because of the China market. Which would basically explain the lack of active attempts to rebuild the roster. All Morey has done since he's been here is fill in around the edges (although dredging up players from the D-League is not a strategy I can get behind). But in the end, it is results that matter and the results under Morey simply haven't been good enough to make much of a difference in transforming the Rockets into a contending team.
     
  14. rpr52121

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    My issue with this think is what exactly were you expecting Morey to do? Get players that wouldn't be "win nowish" players and convince Les that they help now even though they won't? Overpay FA's to come here wasting your bosses money? Trade away good players for draft picks against your bosses wishes?
     
  15. JayZ750

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    Completely agree. It seems fairly clear that his strategy to rebuild, without tanking (as apparently he's been ordered to do), has been to inch his way into better "role" players, and then hope to package in some way or another for a true all-star. Well, this kind of worked, but ultimately didn't. The trade didn't happen.

    Moreover, I think in hindsight, it's probably best that it didn't.

    To me, he has to make a definitive move one way or the other before next season starts. If the team rolls into next season with effectively the same lineup... or even a slightly different lineup but whereby one above average player has been traded for another - say the historically often thrown out swap for Andre Iguodala (which is as sideways a swap as you could find) - then I think it's finally fair to say Morey has struck out. Either rebuild, or make a major change for a better player.
     
  16. roslolian

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    Honestly I'm getting sick and tired of all this arm chair GMs b****ing about X or about Y or about whatever. Where were you in 2004 when Yao Ming was putting up 20s and 10s and looking like the next dominant center? I didn't see anyone saying he'll have freak injury year after year. What about when we traded for T-mac? Did anyone on the board say he has no heart?

    When you b**** and complain about DM saying he hasn't done a good job, tell everyone what he could have done better, cause honestly I don't see it. And no, whining about De Andre Jordan and Batum don't count, everyone lost their credibility when they ranted about Aaron Brooks being too small, Carl Landry being too old, Scola being too foreign, C-bud being too white and PP being yet another PF. And let's be honest here, the self-proclaimed experts who say they "X" coming say that about every hot prospect in every draft. Whenever DD talks about how the rox should have drafted some raw center I always end up thinking about how the Supersonics ended up burning first round picks on Saer Sene, Robert Swift and some other dude I can't remember.
     
  17. flamingdts

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    Sorry but your points are stupid.

    You're calling Lowry a career backup, but he is not a career back up. He was one of the leading candidates for MIP last year and currently a top PG in this league. So tell me, how is Lowry a career back up again?

    And no, I do not think Scola can be traded straight up for Howard. Strawmen argument at it's best. Arguing a point that I never made. 18/8 are numbers that great role players put up.

    Pau Gasol not a star? You do know that he has been an all-star since 2009 right? Why is he not a star again? Because he is currently the third best player on the Lakers?

    Your points are really stupid, it's even more stupid because you have to use straw man argument to imply Scola is a decent role player.

    Which part of overrated did you see in my post? The part where I said Scola is not a decent role player or the part where I said Lowry is not a career back up?
     
  18. TEXNIFICENT

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    This post is the truth!
     
  19. RedStaag

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    Do you know what a role player is? Every team has a star player or 2, the next best 1 or 2 players are role players. They might be good but their role is to complement the star players. Pau's role in LA right now is to complement Kobe and Bynum. Bosh's role is to complement Lebron

    Lowry's first starting job was in Houston, before that he was a career backup pg, first in memphis, then in Houston.

    So who is making stupid points .If you are still stuck in ur points, I'm done replying. Obviously, you can't educate every dumbass on clutchfan
     
  20. durvasa

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    It doesn't make sense to call a 25 year old player who's your current starter, was the starter last year, and was good enough to be a starter the year prior to that, a "career backup". The word "career backup" should be reserved for veteran bench players who are past their peak.
     

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