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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Damion Laverne, Jan 5, 2012.

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  1. Nook

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    Nope...... you are ignorant... there are many issues that cause weight gain...
     
  2. Commodore

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    Actually in the 1940s the conventional wisdom was that carbs make you fat.

    http://www.motherearthnews.com/Natural-Health/2008-10-01/Dietary-Fat-Health-Weight.aspx

    This was also what Dr. Spock taught our parents and our grandparents in five decades, eight editions and more than 50 million copies of Baby and Child Care, the bible of child-rearing in the latter half of the 20th century. “Rich desserts,” Spock wrote, and “the amount of plain, starchy foods (cereals, breads, potatoes) taken is what determines, in the case of most people, how much [weight] they gain or lose.”

    It wasn't until the mid 1960s that the authorities began pushing low calorie/exercise/low fat as the treatment for obesity (coinciding with the exponential rise in obesity, oddly enough!).
     
  3. Nook

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    I stand corrected.. the point is still valid though. Meat, salt and fat are not making most people fat and unhealthy.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    It does if you have high cholesterol or blood pressure. and considering heart disease is the number 1 killer, your statement seems a little off.
     
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    Slash subsidies on corn syrup, oils, sugars, and all that crap as well. In fact, healthy corn subsidies to such virtuous crony capitalists as Archer Daniels Midlands pretty much make adding high fructose corn syrup the American answer to water.
     
  6. dharocks

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    Or if you're an E4 genotype.

    Honestly, there isn't one diet plan that will fit everyone the same.
     
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    Money talks, the subsidies are flowing to 50%+ meat, and 15% fats/sugars etc.

    incidentally, if you believe a fat heavy, meat dependent diet is the way to go for health (which in of itself is a massive point of contention), how do you justify the extremes governmental subsides are taking to this (3% of subsidies directed towards fruits/vegetables vs. 65%+ on meat+fat). I don't know what diets you follow, but I've never heard of one where you eat 20 portions of meat for every portion of vegetables.
     
  8. Commodore

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    There's no justification for any subsidy.

    Nothing wrong with (leafy) vegetables.

    Sugar (including sugary fruits) and flour are what make you fat.
     
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    Believe what you want, he works for Harris County Central Jail Docket and is quite sedentary (favorite hobby is computer games)....He smokes and doesn't drink alcohol...but otherwise we are very similar dietetically.

    Neither of us have much of a "sweet tooth" but we both like Mexican food a lot.

    He actually cannot gain weight easily....he was trying to put on weight and build muscle and mixed a lot of protein powder with ice cream several times a day and never gained an ounce.
     
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  10. RedRedemption

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    I'm guessing while you two were young you maintained similar metabolism rates and even when your metabolism started dying down you continued eating your regular portions.

    If you truly are facing similar diets then blame your parents for passing down a crappy gene or two. :p
     
  11. SacTown

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    A diet that eliminates grains, sugar, and starchy carbohydrates and consists of only protein, fat, and vegetables will work for everybody. This turns your body into a fat burning machine.
     
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    I would typically agree but really it's just calories. If your body is capable of burning 2,600 calories a day and you consume 6,100 calories of spinach leaf salad, you will will gain a pound of weight.

    Barring a hormonal problem, it really is just calories in vs calories out.
     
  13. Commodore

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    no, it really isnt
     
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    At the end of your life, you're not going to assess the amount of freedom you had, you're just going to assess your achievements and failures. Freedom is the lubricant for success and failure. So you're not fat cause you're free, you're fat because you made bad decisions, and you kept getting fat because freedom also means no hand-holding.

    Some parts of the world, there is success, but no freedom, and that (as we have seen over the last 12 months) causes friction.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    SO CLUTCHFANS - What's our Conclusions?

    1. Cut Carbohydrates
    2. Increase activity [doesn't hurt]

    what else?

    Rocket River
    Come on Clutchfans. . . SUM IT UP!!
    Break it down to its very last compound
     
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    Is it a bad decision . . . if it is based on bad science/information?

    Rocket River
     
  18. Rocket River

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    These are quite interesting.
    Since alot of folx in this thread
    basically saying that Fat folx are just slobs
    and need to work out more. . . .

    Do you folx that feel that way think these Videos are just lies?
    Can you tell me where they are lying?

    The investment in the bad science seems to high
    If proven wrong . . . alot of folx have some xplaining to do

    Rocket River
    'Man does not live on bread alone.'"
     
  19. Commodore

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    Both those diets reduced carb intake (Twinkie diet was 170g of carbs/day, below USDA recommendations, McDonalds diet gave up fries). Most low calorie diets do.

    Those two variables are not independent in the slightest. If you starve yourself you become more sedentary and your body temp drops (calories out goes down). That's why animals don't starve to death during hibernation, they reduce their calorie output in response to reduced calorie input.

    In other words, the amount (and more importantly the type) of calories you put into your body greatly influences what you expend.

    Carbs spike your blood sugar (for some more than others), and your body responds by secreting insulin. Insulin is the hormone that prevents fat from escaping the fat cells.

    If you treat your body like a black box and just look at input/output, you will never understand the biochemistry of what makes us grow/get fat.

    A child is growing, is that because he is taking in excess calories? No, it's because he is secreting growth hormone, which leads to increase in calorie consumption. He's eating more because he is growing, rather than he is growing because he is eating more.

    A cancerous tumor is growing, so it's taking in more calories than it puts out, by definition. But your body will waste away long before you can starve a cancer tumor by not eating. Fat cells are no different, they are regulated by hormones and body chemistry.

    Insulin traps fat in fat cells so they can't be used for energy, which means you eat more and move less to compensate. Again, people have the causality all wrong. Getting fat (hormone imbalance) makes us eat more, eating more does not make us fat.

    Good luck with that.
     
  20. London'sBurning

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    Both of those diets involve eating less calories than your body needs in order to maintain weight. Also while the USDA may classify 170g carbs it's not really a low carb diet.

    Low carb diet would be something like the Ketogenetic diet which is roughly 65% fat , 30% protein, and 5% carbs. For a person that diets on 2,000 calories, that would be the equivalent of having 30g or less of carbohydrates daily. This would force the body to enter ketosis and convert fat cells into ketones like faux carbs for instant energy. It also makes your piss very yellow. I probably had my best success in weight loss following this diet but that was because I counted my calories everyday and made sure I was in a deficit.

    Also the formula to figure out your caloric maintenance isn't as complicated as you're making it out to be. In general following the BMR formula along with the Harris Benedict Equation will help aid you in figuring out what your caloric maintenance is. Once again subtract 500 calories a day from your maintenance (-3500 calories a week which is a 1 lb.) and you will lose weight.

    http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

    If the formula is off and you're not losing weight, subtract an additional 100 calories until you start seeing your desired results. Not that complicated.

    The problem is people don't count calories or they forget to factor in all the calories they consumed. Have a handful of nuts on your way out the door to work and forgot to factor in the calories from it? That's maybe 100 or more calories that you didn't add. Add soy sauce or sriracha sauce to your meal? Add another 20 to 50 calories depending on how much you dowse it over your meal. Also sodium intake can cause water weight to fluctuate throughout the day and is not a true determinent in actual weight loss. Add extra virgin olive oil into your frying pan while cooking dinner? Add another 120 calories. It all adds up.

    If most people figured out their caloric maintenance, subtracted 500 calories a day from it, and counted every single calorie they consumed daily they'd lose weight.

    There's so many resources now to help aid in it too.

    http://www.sparkpeople.com has a calorie counter.
    http://www.fitday.com
    http://www.cronometer.com
    http://www.swole.me

    If you have a smart phone there's a few free web apps that'll help you input your daily calorie intake so you don't reach or go over your maintenance (i.e put on weight.)

    In fact here's a website to help you figure out your BMR

    http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

    Yes there are other lifestyle factors like medical illnesses, smoking and hormonal problems like thyroid problems, but for most people these are not the factors that are preventing people from weight loss. Eating too many calories is.
     

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