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A Different Perspective On the Pentagon - 9/11 Attack

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by 3814, Nov 30, 2002.

  1. 3814

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    This guy seems to argue that the cause of the 9/11 attacks was a truck bomb or something -- other than a Boeing. I have one major question about this guys theory - where did the plane that was said to of hit the pentagon disappear to and how about those who were in the plane. But check it out anyways and help me out with this guys argument - is it actually strong? Please let me know your thoughts.

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    Pentagon
    Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!

    As everyone knows, on 11 September, less than an hour after the attack on the World Trade Centre, an airplane collided with the Pentagon. The Associated Press first reported that a booby-trapped truck had caused the explosion. The Pentagon quickly denied this. The official US government version of events still holds. Here's a little game for you: Take a look at these photographs and try to find evidence to corroborate the official version. It's up to you to Hunt the Boeing!

    Question #1
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    The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image below, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.
    Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour* only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?
    *250 mph when landing, 600 mph in flight.

    Question #2
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    The two photographs in question 2 show the building just after the attack. We may observe that the aircraft only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed towards 10.10 am. The building is 26 yards high.
    Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?

    Question #3
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    The photograph above shows the lawn in front of the damaged building.
    You'll remember that the aircraft only hit the ground floor of the Pentagon's first ring. Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?

    Question #4
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    The photograph in question 4 shows a truck pouring sand over the lawn of the Pentagon. Behind it a bulldozer is seen spreading gravel over the turf.
    Can you explain why the Defence Secretary deemed it necessary to sand over the lawn, which was otherwise undamaged after the attack?

    Question #5
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    The photographs in Question 5 show representations of a Boeing 757-200 superimposed on the section of the building that was hit.
    Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

    Question #6
    When asked by a journalist: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?""First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing." " You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know."

    When asked by a journalist: "Where is the jet fuel?""We have what we believe is a puddle right there that the -- what we believe is to be the nose of the aircraft. So -"

    The quotations in Question 6 correspond to statements made by Arlington County Fire Chief, Ed Plaugher, at a press conference held by Assistant Defence Secretary, Victoria Clarke, on 12 September 2001, at the Pentagon.
    Can you explain why the County Fire Chief could not tell reporters where the aircraft was?

    Question #7 (can't fit anymore pictures, so i'll give the links)
    http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p21ae10ddd8299c6257b886f29f72fb9f/fcfd9927.jpg
    http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p18a7dfbbe695e72894f3bd40d7b5937c/fcfd9926.jpg
    The two photographs in question 7 were taken just after the attack. They show the precise spot on the outer ring where the Boeing struck.
    Can you find the aircraft's point of impact?
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    How did you do?

    Did you find the Boeing? Can you still defend the official version of events?
    > Well done! Remember to get in touch with master of illusion, David Copperfield. He'll be glad to hear from you!
    You found the official version lacking in something (like a Boeing, for example):
    > If you begin to question whether a Boeing really did crash on the Pentagon then, no doubt, you'll be wondering what happened to the aircraft that disappeared. You will probably ask yourself why the US government even told you this story in the first place and you'll start asking yourself lots of other questions besides. Don't worry! This is perfectly normal!
    Source: www.reseauvoltaire.net - The photographs are official images and available on US army sites. See also the larger collection of photographs in our "Pièces à conviction" gallery - Translation: Mr Sly - NB: Appearing on bookshelves end of March, the investigation by the Chair of the Réseau Voltaire into the September 11 attacks, examining the Bin Laden networks and American secret service involvement.


    It may take a while to download the actual document, but i did my best to get it into this post.

    http://cfox.com/geeks/geekstuff/pentagon.doc (this is not the original source, it's a radio stations links of the week).
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    This is like the people who obfuscate using 'evidence' to show that the holocoust didn't happen. Is he an expert in the results of airplane collisions? Does he provide evidence about what normally happens when comercial airliners crash?

    NO.

    He appeals to 'common sense', which has no actual bering on what happened. Because most people don't have much experience with the results. He poses lots of questions that start, "Can you explain..." without attempting to disprove or even provide any rational reasons. In short, using ominus, mysterious-sounding open-ended questions he attempts to make you unsure without providing any real evidence or disputing any real explinations with real fact. Instead, he attemts to flatter you by saying you're qualified to judge the caused based on the evidence of the aftermath. It's smoke and mirrors.
     
  3. DrewP

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    What would it matter if it was a truck anyway?
     
  4. gr8-1

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    Was this analysis written by a Muslim?
     
  5. giddyup

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    I didn't see much of a plane at the Pennsylvania crash site either-- just a large hole in the ground.
     
  6. codell

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    1) Oliver Stone must be behind this article. :p

    2) The Pentagon is a fortress and was designed to withstand an attack. Before Sept. 11, that section of the Pentagon had been remodeled and fortified.

    3) From what I remember, there were hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit. Im guessing this guy thinks they were paid off by the government to lie.

    4) How about all the people that were on flight 77? If Flight 77 didnt crash into the Pentagon, what happned to it? Did it crash somewhere else? Why would the government say it crashed into the Pentagon when something else actually happened to it?

    5) I personally, as an American, find this to be rogue journalism and argueably insulting. This is just like the whole moon landing controversy.
     
  7. 3814

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    I agree...i was just wondering about the validity of the guys argument.

    Good points.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    Hey, let him or her have their opinion. I don't think it is true, but if he provides evidence, we shouldn't be so dence to just find it insulting.
     
  9. Kimble

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    Here's a good debunking of that troll:

    from Snopes.com

    I'll also ditto all the previous replies, except for two of them.
     
  10. mrpaige

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    That's the problem, though. He doesn't provide any evidence at all in the true sense of the word.

    I could find some photographs and make up some stuff that the pictures supposedly show, but that wouldn't make those photos evidence of anything other than my willingness to subvert the truth in order to paint whatever picture I wanted to paint.
     
  11. 3814

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    damn, i should have consulted good ol snopes...but i forgot.
     
  12. mrpaige

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    Here's a bigger question, why would the United States Government make up a story about a plane hitting the Pentagon? I mean, I know the Government isn't the most truthful group of individuals on the planet, but what's the advantage to making up such a story.

    Plus, this book apparently claims that the US Government staged the entire event. Meaning that either the U.S. Government happened to pick a day when four airliners were hijacked by al Queda (three of which crashed, one disappeared into thin air if this story is true) to stage a bombing at the Pentagon.... Or the U.S. Government was behind the hijackings, as well. Of course, if they did that, why not crash the missing plane into the Pentagon instead of making it disappear.

    I'm sure Generals from the Pentagon came to the Administration with the plan.

    "We need to create an enemy. So lets hijack four airliners, have three of them crash into notable buildings, plant a truck bomb at the Pentagon and then make the fourth plane disappear."

    "Why can't we just crash the fourth plane into the Pentagon?"

    "Are you mad, son? Three crashes I could see. But there's just no way to crash four airplanes. It's not physically possible. So we gotta go with the truck bomb."

    "So why make a plane disappear and pretend it crashed into the Pentagon? Isn't a large truck bomb still terrorism?"

    "Son, you just don't understand the American people. They don't care about truck bombs. Only planes flying into buildings will get them. And before you ask, it has to be four planes. People will just go on with their daily lives if only three planes are hijacked and crashed. You gotta have four. This is the only way it'll work."

    By the way, the dude who wrote the book has a new book out that apparently says a cruise missile painted to look like an American Airlines jet actually caused the damage at the Pentagon.

    I suspect, by the way, that if we did not have video of the jets hitting the World Trade Center towers, this dude would have a book written "proving" that it wasn't Boeing jets that caused that damage, either.
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Don't you see mrpaige. The whole affair was an elaborate ruse so the US government could kidnap the passengers and perform experiments on them to turn them into super soldiers. The three crashed airliners were ment to lend credibility to their story about what happened at the Pentagon, so no one would ask what happened to the passengers. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy dies in a car accident before too long. ;)
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    What gets me is they totally discount the planes crashing into the World Trade center and NOT COMING OUT THE OTHER SIDE !!!

    Guess what...they disinigrated....what an idiot.

    DaDakota
     
  15. mrpaige

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    If he does manage to keep from being offed in a suspicious car accident, I think you've found the topic of his next book.
     
  16. KingCheetah

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    I'm surpised no one has mentioned the security camera that filmed the plane slamming into the Pentagon. I must have watched that footage 20 times during the media blitz after 9/11, it was on all the major networks. If there is any real possibility of a cover up it would be the outside chance that a F-16 actually shot down the plane over Penn. I could at least understand why the government would want keep that under wraps (I don't think it happened though).
     
  17. robbie380

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    is there any way to email this moron who wrote the book?
     
  18. 3814

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    The only reason I can think of for the gov to make a story up would be to discourage future attempts by truck/car bombs. If it actually was a truck, think of how many other fanatics would be trying this. It would actually make sense to me to lie about it, though I don't like being lied to. Of course I don't see any REAL evidence that we were lied to in the first place. But I could see a why.
     

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