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seriously, KT has got to go...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by azn-baller, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. azn-baller

    azn-baller Member

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    he's takin away important minutes at the 4 from eddie who needs the PT time to develop into a star...and from MoT who is the best postup scorer/midrange shooter of the forwards...Mo should be gettin 30 min a game..

    he's also takin away important minutes at the 3 from a developing T-Mo and the veteran Rice..and Boki aint even playin at all...

    kt is a good player..but man..i'm sick of his ass holdin on to the ball...and takin bad outside shots...we need to trade him for another decent guard....
     
  2. DaDakota

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    He is taking minutes away because he is playing better then EG or MoT.

    DD
     
  3. Will

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    Our PFs are like the blind men with the elephant. Each of them can't do 2 or 3 crucial things the others can. In Kenny's case, the problem is that he suddenly develops glaucoma as soon as somebody throws him the ball.
     
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    He rebounds good, but he never passes the ball! He has got to get it in his head that he sucks at shooting the ball. IF he would pass more he would be a nice player for the Rockets.
     
  5. Sane

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    KT is not doing anything MoT can't do. You don't think MoT can shoot, even now when he's rusty, at LEAST the same % as kt?
     
  6. heypartner

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    pretty soon the chimes will go off in you guys head, that there is a reason Kenny played all 24 minutes in the second half when this team played it's best defense of the season. The team rarely plays great defense without him on the court.

    Watch the defense. This team cannot win without solid, if not great, defensive performances. Kenny is getting minutes whether you like it or not. Get used to it.

    Griffin doesn't need minutes to get in a defensive flow...that should be automatice and every second of every minute, and he certainly doesn't need extra minutes to prove that he is a weakling, again. Maurice still seems like he's favoring his bad achilles. I miss Maurice.

    my hope is that Kenny will get off his fascination with testing his offensive limits all the time, but at least he isn't completely lost in the offense (like Griffin) to the point of busting plays, and is fully capable of playing off ball slashing, picking game. This guy moves well without the ball, and helps others. That ability is one of the early things that I saw in him 3 yrs ago. I honestly 100% believe that, and am not trying to protect the guy. He doesn't need to be protecting, because he's the one getting all the minutes.

    There is a reason for why he gets the minutes.
     
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  7. Jeff

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    Way to perfectly sum it up. Mo has good offensive skills but suffers defensively and on the boards. KT is a solid defender and great rebounder but he is one dimensional on the offensive end and has almost no court vision. Griffin COULD be the guy that eventually combines the best of Mo and KT's skills, but he is 20 and it is obvious he still has a ways to go.
     
  8. saleem

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    KT is our best defender and rebounder at the 4.If he passes the ball to the open man he will be much more effective and will also be able to get return passes which will make it easier for him to score. Quit the iso's Kenny.Mo-T is favoring his achilles as Heypartner pointed out if he recovers completely then he can score a lot more.
     
  9. OverRRated

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    R u guys sick or something???? When we went to Yao Ming instead of Kenny Thomas in the post we took over... Kenny Thomas gets the ball, pump fakes and jab steps for like 10 seconds just to mess up the whole flow of the Rockets offense...then he spends another 10 seconds smiling at the refs wondering why they didn't call a foul!!! I'm glad the Rockets showed him no respect by not resigning him...He is Othella Harrington 2003, meaning A BLACK HOLE!!!!
     
  10. Deltar

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    I like Kenny's inside game and his hustle. He has a phobia of passing, however. When the ball is passed to him, he's going to shoot it (over the whole roster, damn it). I don't know if he's just paranoid about his stats, or if it's the contract season, or both, but the guy just needs to pass the ball once in awhile.
     
  11. Timing

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    KT is definitely a better defender and rebounder. Mo Taylor is shooting 37% this year, almost as terrible as Moochie.
     
  12. Achebe

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    I taped tonight's game and hopefully will be able to look back over some of the better moments... I agree that aside from the forced moments on the offense, Kenny adds in several other ways... w/ his movement, his defense of course, etc. When you stop cringing at the forced shots, and just watch him, you see that he's earning the minutes.

    We all assume that Eddie is the chosen one; I think he's learning now that Rudy isn't just going to hand him anything.
     
  13. Sane

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    Mo T is capable of 50% shooting when healthy.

    The reason KT is playing is because MoT is recovering and Griffin still has to bulk up.


    It's not a good situation. He's thinking about his stats and a contract, and he thinks he has the same freedom on offense as last year. That's not the case. 50% shooting and 10 rebounds, otherwise he's a liability.
     
  14. ChenZhen

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    I've been trying to figure this one out the entire season....I'm still trying...

    Your second comment, your acting like Kenny is the gel of the Defense or something...the Key to our defense is with Cato, Yao, or Eddie clogging the middle and blocking shots, not Kenny's D...
     
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    I can't argue with the kudos for Kenny's defense. He definitely works hard there. But on the offensive end, you can't compare him to Mo or Eddie just by comparing their stats. You have to look at how everyone ELSE on the team performs when Mo or Kenny or Eddie is on the court. From what I've seen, other players seem to get more touches, and the offense flows more smoothly, when Mo is there instead of Kenny. Stands to reason, since Kenny's motto about receiving the ball is "the buck stops here."

    I don't think Kenny has a bad attitude. I just think he has no peripheral vision. He can't see teammates out of the corners of his eyes while concentrating on his defender or the basket.
     
  16. Timing

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    Mo Taylor has never shot 50% in his entire career. The reason KT is playing is because he's performing better than Mo and Eddie. It's nice that you can read KT's mind, try it on RudyT and tell me what's going on there.
     
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    So actually we should not let KT go because of his rebounding and defense but we need him to change his offense and stop accumulating stats in expense of team record. :cool:
     
  18. heypartner

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    Will, Eddie is lost in the offense. I've never seen someone so reluctant to set a pick. He just wants to float around and wave for the ball like he's in high school or something. I'm not only disapointed in his weak defense, but I'm getting to the point where I don't think he knows what he wants to be on offense. Can you even name his favorite shooting spot, aside from 3pt land. By now, we should have at least noticed him favoring a spot. I mean, sheesh...that's basic.

    Tape a game and watch him. He gets poor low post position on all transitions and waves for the ball like he's open. He's not. He should go pick for the ball handler. He has to be told when to go set a 24 high pick. He hesitates of shooting. He hesitates on moving without the ball. Everything.

    With his blocking, even with his waif frame, I think he gets more minutes if it wasn't that he was so clueless on offense. And I reject any argument that says he needs his touches....not at 35% he doesn't...not when he doesn't have a favorite spot to shoot from and ask for the ball at. He'll just shoot from wherever.

    and Griffin does not pass. Just because Griffin shoots sooner, so it makes it look like it is in the flow, the guy does not pass.

    I'm not bashing Griffin to prop up KT. Like I say, KT doesn't need any propping up...the reason for his minutes are very clear. I am just really disappointed in Griffin, and his lackadaisical play (Murphy has mentioned it, too.) He needs to play his way back into the rotation as far as I'm concerned, and that starts with focused defense.

    btw: I also disagree with the peripheral vision thing. Kenny sees the court fine. And doesn't suck the ball everytime he touches it...he was on the court the entire 2nd half, for godsakes. imo, he chooses to attack the defense and is willing to throw a dish (I've seen enough to know he can do it), but he is not good enough to penetrate zones, so he's not getting the penetration like last year. If you aren't attracting double teams, and you can't penetrate well, its often turnover city if you try to test your limits. I think it is a stubborn thing, and not a lack of passing ability. But at 10 shots per game, is it really enough to cry for his head???
     
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    Since when is MoT capable of 50% shooting?
    I'll grant that he'll shoot around 48% (which is NOT 50), but KT shot that last season.

    How many players average over 10rpg last season? It's a select group - I'm not going to demand that KT gets 10 per contest, he doesn't need to when Cato is fit. We don't really have a dominant rebounder, so it's not fair to expect Kenny to be one - but if he gets his share and plays enthusiastically then that'll do me!

    If KT can put up the same numbers (save Ppg where he might produce less) as last year then I'll be satisfied - 7-7.5 Rpg will be fine!
     
  20. azn-baller

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    our team can survive without kenny...
    our team will be better with him traded for a solid 2 guard....
     

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