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Name 10 defenders in the NBA that are worse defenders than Martin and Bud

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Dec 26, 2011.

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  1. Joe Joe

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    Sorry, I didn't check current NBA rosters. I just named 10 Rockets or former Rockets that are worse defenders and didn't check if they made a roster this year. 3 of that list aren't in the NBA currently due to being worse defenders.
     
    #61 Joe Joe, Dec 27, 2011
  2. heypartner

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    Yep, if you are 7'3 and are supposed to be a defensive specialist, but can't make the active list on the Rockets ... that is pretty telling.
     
    #62 heypartner, Dec 27, 2011
  3. da_juice

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    That's the issue with Martin, he's a very one dimensional player, if he's not scorin then he's contributing nothing.

    On the flip side, if he is scoring, then he's extremely useful.
     
    #63 da_juice, Dec 27, 2011
  4. jopatmc

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    Here's a thought. Take out Budinger from last night's game and substitute Andrei Kirilenko in your mind. What happens????

    Our defense improves dramatically and our offense doesn't give up anything. Kirilenko is just as effective on offensive threat as Chase is.

    If you're gonna run Martin out there, you have to have a guy like Kirilenko at the 3 to cover up Martin's defensive deficiencies. You cannot have another Martin part II (Chase) at the 3 contributing to the hole that already exists defensively at the 2. Most of the time, they're playing side by side. And if I were the opposition coach, I would direct my players to get in sets that stack Martin and Chase defensively and then play cat and mouse out there with them all game long. It's our Achilles heal and it is very easily exposed.
     
    #64 jopatmc, Dec 27, 2011
  5. That's Turrible

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    And to think that at one point our back court was Brooks and Martin. That could be the worst back court in NBA history.
     
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    Yup. They were scoring 50 and giving up 60 all by themselves.
     
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    I would argue that Amare, Bibby, Calderon, David Lee, Ellis and Hedo (off the top of my head are as bad as Martin).........

    Still, Martin is a bad defender. When the Rockets traded or him it was not as big a deal because 7'6" Yao was the center.... now, it is a real issue... I suspect Morey will deal him before the deadline, especially if we are sub .500% by the deadline.
     
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  8. RiceRockets

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    I build a list of 'IMO' (for the two positions) - the rankings of starting SGs and SFs for their overall defense (speed, agility, size, steals, blocks, rebounds, clutch blocks/steals, how well they work with the teams defense - usually just looking at how good their team's defense is and working from there).

    SGs.
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    1.Dwayne Wade
    2.Tony Allen
    3.Kobe Bryant
    4.Manu Ginobili
    5.Gerald Henderson
    6.Monta Ellis
    7.Aaron Afflalo
    8.Thabo Sefolosha
    9.Paul George
    10.Wesley Matthews
    11.Stephen Jackson
    12.Jamal Crawford
    13.Wesley Johnson
    14.Jason Richardson
    15.Ray Allen
    16.Eric Gordon
    17.Jared Dudley
    18.Demar DeRozan
    19.Marcus Thornton
    20.Vince Carter
    21.Kevin Martin
    22.Raja Bell
    23.Joe Johnson
    24.Anthony Parker
    25.Rip Hamilton
    26.Jodie Meeks
    27.Ben Gordon
    28.Chauncey Billups
    29.Landry Fields
    30.Anthony Morrow
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    SFs.
    1.Lebron James
    2.Andre Iguodola
    3.Gerald Wallace
    4.Luol Deng
    5.Rudy Gay
    6.Kevin Durant
    7.Dorel Wright
    8.Trevor Ariza
    9.Paul Pierce
    10.Grant Hill
    11.Carlos Delfino
    12.Shawn Marion
    13.Hedo Turkoglu
    14.Damion James
    15.Carmelo Anthony
    16.CJ Miles
    17.Michael Beasley
    18.Omir Casspi
    19.Danny Granger
    20.Caron Butler
    21.Devin Ebanks
    22.Danilo Gallinari
    23.Richard Jefferson
    24.Rashard Lewis
    25.John Salmons
    26.Corey Maggette
    27.Tayshaun Prince
    28.Rasual Butler
    29.Marvin Williams
    30.Chase Budinger
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    I really struggled to build a case for Bud. He is just terrible. There are likely 10 worse defenders, but they don't get playing time on any team let alone start. His body is built badly for NBA 'Starting Quality' defense for starters, but then hes got that amazing leap and doesn't get barely any rebounds per 48? On top of that he is NOT consistent in offense, but does give good energy. Should be getting 18 minutes tops off the bench I would have thought.

    Is Twill the answer? Morris? Not really any convincing answer for me.

    Martin, well he doesn't care. He does get steals by playing 'risky defense' which usually hurts more than helps, but atleast he is swooping down the other end just in case he can get 2 easy points. Well anyway, he's not that bad at all considering hes top 10 offensive player (usually, not lately).
     
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    Your ranking was awesome.

    Though, I think Ginobili and Kobe are a little high, still in the top 5 to 7. Affalo and Sefolosha should be higher, if we are talking strictly defense, but they are simply specialist. But Affalo, is turning into a nice offensive weapon for the Nuggets on the perimeter.

    SF list is untouchable, though Durant's defense is good, I think there are some better defensive forwards down the list, not that many. Thing is those players are aging, while Durant is only hitting the surface of his prime. So, he could be 6th or higher by the end of this season.
     
    #69 plutoblue11, Dec 27, 2011
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    Four pages and not a single your mom. Wow. I don't know whether I should be proud of you guys or sad that no one used it...
     
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    Interesting.


    However, there is absolutely no way that Raja Bell, Joe Johnson, Chauncey Billups, Laundry Fields, Rip Hamilton, and Jodie Meeks are worse defenders than Martin. I'll let you slide by on Ben Gordon, Anthony Parker, and Anthony Morrow. Although personally I'd rather have any of them defensively over Kevin Martin too.
     
    #71 jopatmc, Dec 27, 2011
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    It's not only that Kevin Martin is an atrocious defender, he does not care that much any more......Guy is becoming a wuss and that is to be worried about
     
    #72 daywalker02, Dec 27, 2011
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    Aaron Brooks
     
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    Derek Fisher, Kareem Jackson
     
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    Budinger was the worst out there last night and he's arguably the worst at his position. Turkoglu was abusing Chase at will.

    I remember Chase was getting absolutely torched by a third-string player in garbage time last season.

    I think Monta is a bad defender but he might look better in the new system.
     
    #75 sammy, Dec 27, 2011
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    Good one!
    Steve Nash, Quentin Richardson......Amare....those old Suns
     
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    The OP is right though.

    I used to always say that we can't win with AB and Martin starting in the backcourt. We didn't realize how detrimental Budinger and Martin could be without Chuck Hayes.

    Dalembert being able to play 35 minutes plus is going to be big for this team.
     
    #77 sammy, Dec 27, 2011
  18. RiceRockets

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    Most of my rankings comes over the past 2 seasons. Right now he looks more like sitting at the end with Morrow.

    Morrow is definitely the worst NBA defender.
     
    #78 RiceRockets, Dec 27, 2011
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