Wish I would have seen this post yesterday before I left work (it's what I get for not checking CC.NET before leaving). I think Chuck04's rebutal of your post was excellent, but allow me to add to it a bit. Some of you newer posters (since you don't want to be put on the Yao Bandwagon) fail to see the point I was attempting to make so I will attempt to clarify: Quite of a few of you have stated that you became Rockets fans when the Rockets drafted Yao and that this is when you began to watch, read about, or follow the Rockets in general. That being the case you do not have knowledge of Rockets history, this is evident by some of the ridiculous things that you post (see above). Because you have not been a Rockets fan for very long it is understandable that you do not fully comprehend what a paticular player has done or means to the team. Much in the same way that we Rockets fans are not as familiar with Yao's history and potential. The difference is that most of your fellow BBSers who are not as familiar with Yao have either outright embraced Yao or have had the wisdom to reserve judgement (and comments for the most part) until they've seen more of Yao. This is all I ask from some of you. Before making comments like "...Steve should be traded for a pass first point gaurd", "Steve is not a leader","Steve needs to be moved to the two", or whatever, try being a fan of the Rockets for a little longer than 12 games. and by the way many of the Yao supporters seem to be on the same page in dissing Steve, but you'll find that most of the folks who have been defending Steve have not dissed or even critisized Yao. I have said many times that both are the future of this franchise. P.S. - I called Yao Lovers who make coments like yours stupid. Your post proved my point. You look in even less intelligent coming on a board that is even more international than ever and calling me a "dumb american" w/o even knowing my nationality. Lets not make this a national, cultural, or Chinese\American thing. Try giving facts instead of hypotheticals.
I think that right now it's safe to say that Yao is not ready to be the focal point of offense yet. As far as leadership goes, it depends a lot on personality, and right now we haven't seen enough of Yao to judge if he could be a leader of the team. As for SF, to me, he's not a pass-first PG, but that doesn't mean he's selfish, and that doesn't mean he can't be a leader. If his teammates believe in him, he could very well be the leader even if he's not making plays every possession. Jordan was the leader of the Bulls, even though he loved to shoot first. And please, no personal attacks.
What the hell? Why call me a biased Yao Ming fan and a steve-hater? Where does that come from? Are you blind or an idiot? I said Steve is a good player and is improving. And I didn't say Yao is the hero, the man, the leader. Are you idot? Can't you just read? I just don't like idots like you labelling people Yao-only fans, and can simply just let others express their ideas about Steve, Yao and the team. I will say it again, I post because I see some areas in which either this team or some players need to improve. And it's because I want this team to win. If idiots like you even cannot allow this, then it's going to be really a waste of time replying you.
What a disgrace to most of the Chinese to have such a stupid CHINESE like you! Read carefully before you write, idiot.
Steve Francis averages 6.2 assists per game. I mean even when his assists goes up to me it seems like he needs to get more assist to some of the consistant scorers on our team like Mobley. I don't think he has been getting Mobley involved and thats Steve's job. I think Steve needs to work better with the other scorers on the team by passing them the ball at the right times. He also needs to get Mo Taylor involved by making some good passes to get Mo involved and try toget Mo to be a consistant scorer on the team. Steve also needs to get Yao involved more to by passing to Yao at the right times. He needs to make the right decisions when he is splitting the defense. When Steve Francis drives he needs to have in his head whats he gonna do with the ball instead of sometimes getting cuaght in the air with the ball and no place to go with it,if he doesn't turn it over when he does that he will throw up a crazy shot. Maybe he needs better coaching. ^ People can't see that is what Steve's job is? For the team to be more successful he needs to learn how to get his main scorers involved by the fourth that way they can have their shooting rhythems going when its crunch time.
This is completely off the subject, but... Can you elabrate more about your observation? Why "right now it's safe to say that Yao is not ready to be the focal point of offense yet"? The truth of the fact is majority of the time, good things happen when Yao got the ball in the post. You cannot score, or assit. if you don't have ball in your hand. Yao had four shots in the Clippers' game. Some said that Yao couldn't get inside position. Common on, guys, even the Lakers set up A LOT of picks on the elbow to bring Shaq across the lane to get the post position. I didn't see any of that kind of help from the Rockets. It's the coach's job to draw the plays to get the ball to Yao; it's the PG's job to get the ball to the big guy in the post. I didn't see any effort from the coach (Rudy said this himself, from CBSsportingline article), I only saw couple of time from Francis.
Nice post and I agree. I like having new fans of the Rockets whether they be from China or wherever, but it is very annoying to see these new fans posting criticisms of the team when they know very little.
Now this is uncalled for. I asked earlier that we not make this a cultural or nationality thing, and that we stick to the facts. The FACT is you calling Toughguy a disgrace to the Chinese race because he disagrees with you is wrong. The FACT also is you are wrong and I'll show you why by taking a look at some of your post just from this thread... WRONG - some people actually root for their home teams (you know because of their geographical location). I actually moved to Houston from another location and imediately began rooting for my home teams. Players come and go, if Steve Francis is gone tomorrow I will still be a Rockets fan. The US mens basketball team didn't have any players that I liked on it this year, but I still root for and watch them. I might ask you, if the Chinese national team no longer had any players on it that you liked, would you stop rooting for them... hmmm? WRONG - Real Rockets fans do see the problems of the team as a whole. A Yao Fan like yourself only sees the problems of others on the team and not Yao himself. I have yet to see you critisize any of Yao's mistakes. Maybe you feel like he did not make any mistakes... and we're the ones that are blind... riiiiiiiight. WRONG and WRONG again - If you were trying to say that the Rockets were the second to last team in the West or NBA, you are beyond wrong, you are uninformed and lack knowledge (which is clearly evident). The Rockets were in the 11th place of the 14 teams in the West not 13th. This was in a year that Steve missed a large number of games due to one ailment or another. Which again further proves my point, that it has been proven that the Rockets can not win consistently w/o Steve, but have done so w/o Yao. Also Steve Francis was like in highschool and Junior college when the Rockets won those two rings, in any case he was not in the NBA. The Rockets don't even have any of the players that won rings on those championship teams... so what the hell was your point? How 'bout you kiss my rear and get a clue. Aaahhh... and here is the real problem IMO. You have watched a total of approximately (because you said that you ALMOST missed none of them)11 to 12 Rockets games and have the nerve to come here and call some one else an idiot and a digrace to his race. You, as shown above, were wrong in the majority of your posts in this thread and IMO you are wrong about Toughguy, he is not the disgrace, you are the disgrace.
QUOTE]Originally posted by toughguy jlaw, bben, and superpro: I am Chinese and I, as well as many others, can see that your arguments are partial and flawed. Lately, there are many redundant, dumb, and worthless posts from new users that clog up this forum and make reading other posts a bad experience. I suggest that these new members unload their trash on the ESPN forums and not here, please. : [/QUOTE] Why cannot you guys just stick to bball? If you don't like someone's post, don't read! If you disagree with someone's post, argue against it. Don't make any accusation, or worse yet, personal attack. This will only show how truely ugly you really are!
that was a damn good post sane. moving steve to the shooting guard doesn't make sense. if people haven't seen the improvement he's made in descion making then their not paying attention. he's still got a ways to go but he will get there.
Well duh. Yao only fans don't annoy you but people who defend Steve against some of the BS he gets do? Real surprising coming from you, a confirmed Steve basher(who tries to dress it up real nice) and Yao fan.
This board is a terrific board to express a fan's excitements/disappointments as well as opinions towards the Rox team/players/certain games. But there are a few guys on this board arguing based on his/her own assumptions, instead of what others' say, which makes it very hard to express one's opinions here. When some people on this board bash you, you even don't know why you are bashed, which is so irratating. It's really wrong to criticize a guy just by picking one sentence out of the whole message. For example, I've seen nobody on this board saying Yao should be the leader now. But you can see so many people saying Francis is the leader, not Yao, you Yao-only lovers. For another example, O-dawg said " Yao Fan like yourself only sees the problems of others on the team and not Yao himself. I have yet to see you critisize any of Yao's mistakes. Maybe you feel like he did not make any mistakes... ". I didn't criticize Yao for couple of reasons: 1. He is young and just 12 games in the NBA. If he made bad plays, it's ok. Besides, he's been playing really well in the past two weeks. What should I criticize him for? 2. Everybody sees Yao is a really promising center. Therefore, instead of criticizing him, we should give him more time and encouragements. However, I do have an urge to criticize Rox's guards, but I didn't have time to do it yet. I am getting really tired of a couple of people here. I am out.
Super Pro, Sounds like you're a little too sensitive. If you can't handle what others say to your responses, don't post anything!
Well, as you wish... Yao is not ready to be the focal point of offense because: 1. Yao doesn't know his teammates well. It takes time to learn what other players like to do, their strength and weakness, their favorite position to get the pass, etc. 2. The coaches are not ready. They need time to figure out the best type of offensive plays that fully utilize Yao. 3. Yao is not familiar with his opponents. He needs more experience to figure out what type of plays to run against different opponents. 4. Fatigue factor. You use up lot more energy when being the focal point of offense. Yao needs time to build that up, he's tired late in the game even he's not the focal point of offense now. 5. Yao hasn't gain the trust from teammates yet. Nothing can be done except through time. Hope that helps.
I only called you a biased Yao Ming fan. Nowhere in my post did I say any one of you three is a Steve hater. YOU need to re-read my post carefully! I feel there's no need for me to explain myself because after four pages of posts from others(especially O-dawg's) that debunked your arguments, you still don't have a clue. You certainly showed intelligence in your posts. I hold no grudge toward people who make worthless and disparaging statements.
Chinese there bashing Chinese here, vice versa. Well, at least it shows hate has no boundary and can be color blind.
gottoloveit, shut the f*ck up, your just talkin' trash 'cause these morons are participating in your favorite sport, steve bashing. sanctimonious assh*le....
