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Republicans again block help for Americans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. Deckard

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    Very well said. Kudos!
     
  2. ArtV

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    Not a democrat by any stretch but Boehner is a joke. I'd say he was an embarrassment to republicans but I don't think they are embarrassed by him...which is sad and pathetic. I usually don't get personal, but what they are doing is just off the charts stupid.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Why would we want a speaker that is unresponsive to their caucus (who are supposed to be representing their districts and thus the people, after all)?
     
  4. Commodore

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    She led her caucus right off a cliff in 2010 rather than letting them be responsive to their constituents.

    She told them the ACA would be popular after they voted for it. They got voted out.

    Pelosi ruled by fear and intimidation, not by vision and inspiration.

    Boehner's problem is he does neither.

    This whole trend of a few leaders meeting behind closed doors with the White House to craft deals, then you get awful thousand page bills that must be voted on immediately based on some manufactured crisis deadline.

    A two month payroll tax holiday? Dumping more borrowed/printed money into boondoggle infrastructure projects? That's the extent of your economic philosophy?

    Pathetic.
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    What's your point? So you think the Affordable Care Act was unpopular? This isn't a question of partisanship. This is a question of the house leadership's ability to get anything done.

    A Congress has to pass legislation at some point and Boehner has repeatedly failed to deliver compromises that he himself negotiated. From debt ceiling talks to the payroll tax cut. He's failed at delivering legislation that he promised.

    And don't whine about "fear and intimidation." The Republican house whip was Tom freaking Delay for the longest time, the same guy that sleep deprived the entire house until 4 AM so he could buy time to armtwist votes for the Medicare drug bill AFTER it was voted down on the house floor. I'm fairly certain you didn't cry then and I'm fairly certain you won't denounce the old Republican house leadership. Or perhaps that wasn't fear and intimidation but rather vision and inspiration on health care. Oh and side note, lets guess which health care bill had a larger impact on the deficit. I'll let you figure that one out.

    And its clear you know next to nothing about economics considering you just threw several unrelated concepts into a sentence that have nothing to do with the payroll tax cut. Also good that you showed your true colors. Tax cuts are awesome until they disproportionately help the lower and middle class of America.
     
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  6. bigtexxx

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    Once again, Obama fails to lead. He's truly atrocious at building consensus. He deserves blame and the American people recognize that.
     
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    She got her caucus to vote for a bill that was opposed by big money interests and, despite the fact that many knew it would cost them their seats, got the House to pass the single biggest healthcare reform since Medicare.

    The ACA is getting more popular now and will continue to get even more popular as its provisions are enacted. So, assuming she actually said those words and you didn't make it up, she was very nearly clairvoyant if you look at it three years later rather than six months.

    Whatever gets the job done, eh? Do you think Tom DeLay had either vision or inspiration? If so, you need to check your reality again.

    Agreed.

    Taxes will go up in 11 days absent action. That isn't a "manufactured" deadline, it is a deadline.

    Avoiding higher taxes for 160 million Americans. That should be a no-brainer for Republicans except that they don't care about taxes that apply mostly to the lower and middle classes, they care about the income tax, capital gains tax, and dividends tax, taxes that are paid by their constituents: the wealthy.

    That certainly isn't "the extent" of my (or the President's) economic philosophy, but accelerating infrastructure improvements is one way to put more people to work, which will increase revenues as well as economic activity. You could see this if you got your head out of the GOP's ass.

    Yes, everything you wrote here is simply pathetic.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Look again, texx, it is Boehner that has failed to lead in this instance. It isn't up to Democrats to lead the Republicans, they have to do that themselves. Hell, it is hard enough for a Democrat to herd the rest of their cats, much less lead a party whose stated mission is to oppose anything and everything proposed by the other side, no matter how much they hurt the country by doing so.
     
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    Scott Brown (GOP Senator, MA) issued a statement after Tuesday's House vote that said House Republicans "would rather continue playing politics than find solutions."

    "Their actions will hurt American families and be detrimental to our fragile economy," said Brown, who is facing a stiff re-election challenge in heavily Democratic Massachusetts next year. "We are Americans first; now is not the time for drawing lines in the sand."
     
  11. mc mark

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    A better question is why won't Boehner even bring up a vote on a bill with 90% bipartisanship approval from the senate? A bill that a week earlier he agreed with?
     
  12. rhadamanthus

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    Good night, that was some pwnage.
     
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    The Boehner situation is reminding me of the CP3 to Lakers trade fiasco. First, the Hornets said they got the approval of team ownership, then we hear from some loud dissenters, then all of a sudden they don't and the league had to contrive a way out of the mess.
     
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    Wow, when even the Plutocracy Now! brigade of professional ninnies who makeup the WSJ Editorial page turn on you, you've really done goofed up.
     
  17. Amel

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    did anyone see McConnell giving out high-fives...

    yes, high-fives...
     
  18. Qball

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    This is so ridiculous. How can any of you conservatives not see that Republicans only want tax cuts for the rich. Here we have a tax cut that will help ALL OF US (liberals and conservatives) in the middle and low income class. Don't forget this day.....Democrats voted YES for a taxcut and Repubs voted NO. This proves that republicans have only the rich's interest in mind.
     
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    Now that is not really correct. Both voted for a different plan. The House did pass a plan for a 1 year extension. The Senate passed a plan for a 2 month extension and then left town. I think the 2 month plan is stupid and it seems counter-productive to pay for it with fees on Fannie and Freddie loans, but once the House was put in a corner, it needed to do either an up or down vote on that plan.

    There are no good guys on this one.
     
  20. Qball

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    So why did Boehner agree with the 2 month extension not 1 week earlier. What happened? Where is this "concern" for other tax cut extensions? Why play politics with taxcuts and unemployment benefits that would only help the poor and middle class?
     

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