At what point do we throw political correctness out the window and ask out loud: what is wrong with Islam? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021121/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_miss_world_11 I know, I know, I know.......It's not ALL Muslims that are acting like deranged moronic lunatics, but why are there so damn many?
From the Article: "Muslim groups say the pageant promotes sexual promiscuity and indecency. " But it is ok for them to murder?
Judging by your past responses, I'm almost guessing this is sarcasm. Are Muslim's the only poor people in this world who can't read and write? Flying lessons aren't cheap, ya know?
First off, statistically speaking isn't Islam #1 population in the world. Secondly, how many of these countries are just now gaining autonomy from Western Hegemony (if not pure imperialism) in the last generation or two. Countries in major political change tend to have more violent acts. See the '60s. See South Africa. See Mexico. etc etc etc. Not this particular case, but overall re: war, etc, isn't this as much natural statistics coinciding with unprecedented Islamic political and economic history as it is religion or moral makeup. No???
The newspaper (This Day News) printed this apology in today's paper. http://www.thisdayonline.com/news/20021122rec01.html
Apology? I'm sorry I said Jesus drives a Zamboni. Would you please stop the killing? Anyway, maybe Heypartner is right. Maybe it's all in the numbers. Then again, maybe not. Maybe I've jumped the gun. Maybe it's not time to throw PC out the window. Maybe we need a few more months....a few more years....of the status quo before someone should question what seems to be rampant craziness that seems almost isolated to one segment of society.
omigod, heypartner is over here in the hangout talking politics. heypartner, please accept my apologies for enticing you over here with the much more important "turkey" thread. Okay, for the issue, I sometimes like to think about this in terms of adolescence. This might be more offensive than anything, but if you look at the overall age of a western religion, you can look at a violent "teenage" period for each one. Islam is younger still, and may now be at its peak of pimply-faced hormonal nuttiness. Christianity definitely passed through its most violent stages in the middle age crusades, when it was still a brash youth of world religions. Pardon if this oversimplifies too much, and also pardon if it's been posted many times already. I couldn't stomach reading *all* of the Middle-East / Islam related threads. By the way, I mean no offense to Islam, because as many of you can tell, I have equal respect/frustration for/with all religions (except maybe Buddhism, but even then... dude is seriously obese).
B-Bob, I always read Pole threads. Which reminds me, he seems to be keeping his turkey tips secret. bastid anyhoot, my reason was not trying to deny crazy religious or moral motives, but to try to put it into perspective with other obvious motives. I think the Islamic community expresses their moral diversity this quite well, from what little I've read. I mean, if Christian can so incredibly disagree with each other, why wouldn't it be the same for the larger religion. Muslim to Muslim acts (as in this tragedy) or Muslim to Infidel acts (the majority of BBS threads) don't seem to be close to a shared moral majority perspective of right/wrong nor does "In the name of Islam" even seem to be a true dominating motive of such acts. For instance, how many of you believe Osama acted for religion and morals alone? If the majority of opinions of moral acts denounce them, and if the majority of acts are really just political/economical backlash to the Western Hegemony...then Political Correctness denouncing "Islam" is lazy at best...just like all PC talk.
From Article above : "Down with beauty" 50 people died and 200 were wounded. Wed Nov 13, 1:22 AM ET Prev. | Start | Next 10 of 29 Rebekah Revels (L), representing the United States at the Miss World (news - web sites) 2002 pageant in Nigeria, is photographed with Miss Vietnam, Mai Phuong Phan Thi, at breakfast November 13, 2002 in the pageant hotel in Abuja. More than 80 contestants arrived in Nigeria after the government managed to avert a mass boycott of the event over death sentences passed on Nigerian Muslim women convicted of adultery. The government gave assurances that no one would be stoned to death for adultery as prescribed by Islamic sharia law. Vietnam is taking part in the 52-year-old pageant for the first time. REUTERS/John Chiahemen Add News Photos to My Yahoo! Ok. There is something wrong with this idea. Beauty is sin. That's nuts. That stupid idea is in more than one fundementalist religion. What sort of dumb-sh&! comes up with that one? It's anti-human. It's anti-animal. It makes God some ass-clown, that forces poor saps to pretend they don't have five senses, and to never enjoy them. That sucks. My God is not an ass-clown.
Top Ten Organized Religions of the World http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904108.html Statistics of the world's religions are only very rough approximations. Aside from Christianity, few religions, if any, attempt to keep statistical records; and even Protestants and Catholics employ different methods of counting members. Religion Members Percentage Christianity 1.9 billion 33.0% Islam 1.1 billion 20.0 Hinduism 781 million 13.0 Buddhism 324 million 6.0 Sikhism 19 million 0.4 Judaism 14 million 0.2 Baha'ism 6.1 million 0.1 Confucianism 5.3 million 0.1 Jainism 4.9 million 0.1 Shintoism 2.8 million 0.0
Think of it this way. Picture us as some ass poor nation and the mightiest countries in the world were predominantly Hindu. Now they want us to stop eating beef because it's barbaric and it's sick treating these sacred beings as slaves. So with our asspoor beating sticks and knifes we do whatever we can to keep our cows and make sure some boogeyman won't take them away from us.
People can attempt to analogize this to the 60s, etc...but it's not a sound analysis. In no other period has any other group of people committed acts such as these (ie WTC attack) upon people half a world away. The Crusades may be the closest thing out there...but it still wasn't as hit and run and random bombings with unseen planning. I don't know how much of it is the religion or a bastardization of that religion. All I can say is that I see a disturbing trend.
Great topic and I agree with everything you have insinuated. I know there are good Muslims. There are awesome Muslims. But I don't know what to think about the religion...There sure seem to be a lot of Muslims that really hate Christians. I can't find that hateful vitriol from Christians and when I say Christians I mean comparable to The tens of thousands of Muslims that support Osama. (I put that in there for a reference!) This is the part where I toss in the the prerequisite... ...some of my best friends are Muslims.
